We must vote for Biden in November if he’s still on the ticket. MUST. Fascism is NOT an acceptable alternative.
HOWEVER
The recent high-profile defections of Dem Congresscritters from the presumptive nominee and incumbent president, however, is a political crisis great enough that it probably warrants replacing Biden on the ticket, even if the ONLY issue was the loss of confidence of his party. That is a major fucking blow that you can’t really get back.
So, we must vote for the Dem ticket in November, including if it is not Biden, which is currently a possibility, barring some insane situation like them offering Hitler’s brain in a jar.
Biden stepping down at this point seals the election for Trump. Full stop.
It very much does not. Biden is set to lose to Trump already, his polls are not good and they’re all indicating Trump will win in all the swing states. And I doubt voters will change their minds about him after that debate.
Kamala on the other hand already has name recognition, has a very similar platform and can take his over, and has all the funding.
If they do not switch to Kamala, we will lose. Of that I am almost certain.
Read up on what’s happened at every single contested convention and come back and tell me it’s not too late to pick a different candidate.
If the discussion is gonna be had best do it now before the conference, but post that, it’s fall in line or die alone.
That isn’t hyperbole, Project 2025 is very obviously a groundworking for death squads to round up dissidents and undesirables.
We can’t just think of what they’re telling us they want to do, we need to consider the things they somehow still felt like they had to leave out to avoid giving the whole game away.
They said same thing with Isreal and nothing will change post conference. As long as there are bad actors the disenfranchisement of American voters will continue until election day.
You do realize replacing Biden post primary is by definition an act of disenfranchisement of the voters right? Literally tossing out all the votes.
This conversation is only happening because of how seriously everyone who wasn’t on the Biden Hate train already anyways actually recognizes how serious pulling that lever is, and are raising the question anyways because Biden’s recent flubs have spooked everyonethat much.
You do realize replacing Biden post primary is by definition an act of disenfranchisement of the voters right? Literally tossing out all the votes.
While I don’t completely disagree with what you’re saying here, you are far overstating the nature of the primaries. By the time my state’s primary rolled around, every single candidate dropped out and endorsed Biden. It’s not really much of a vote if there is only one guy to vote for.
The primaries are dog shit and routinely fail to present candidates that accurately reflect the will of the people. People are now calling for Biden to drop out as a result of that.
I’m still voting for Biden for now, but this shit isn’t ever going to get better until we have elections that actually capture the will of the people.
Biden’s recent flubs have spooked everyonethat much.
A lot of people have a short memory. Biden’s verbal gaffes were well-known during his time as Obama’s VP, not even mentioning before that. If anything, he’s gotten better at speaking.
People should be paying attention to his actions and accomplishments as President. We have the last four years to look at, and while his handling of Israel leaves a lot to be desired, he’s made great strides in the areas of workers rights, climate, student loans, and inflation.
Calling his latest gaffes anything new is just buying into propaganda. I have yet to see any legitimate criticism over his health or ability to run an administration.
So spooked that you would let an authoritarian felon take office instead. Perfectly valid response.
If that’s the only thing you’re going to focus on, why not run Jimmy Carter? He’s even older still, and also won an election before. Surely concerns about his physical inability to campaign are just ageism and laying excuses to vote fascist.
…Carter didn’t win the primary…
Edit: if he had I would absolutely vote for him in this situation. If a single square if toilet paper had won the DNC primary (I’m not talking about Charmin…a single square of single-ply made from balsa-wood…dampened) I would vote for it in this situation.
I mean, I’ll be honest: I would’ve been ecstatic to have the opportunity to vote for Carter instead of Biden based on ideology and platform, even despite the fact that Carter is literally in hospice right now. (And Carter at age 81 vs. Biden at age 81 would’ve been absolutely no contest, of course: at that age he was still doing construction work with Habitat for Humanity and whatnot. Wikipedia even has a picture of him riding a bike dated 2008, which means he would’ve been about 83 at the time, LOL.)
I mean, yeah, but wouldn’t it be better/safer to NOT run the damp single ply paper against the fascist? Shouldn’t the choice be made easy?
And yeah, Carter didn’t win the primary, but I think Biden wouldn’t have either if they’d been honest about his condition and actually held a real contest instead of not campaigning/ cancelling it in several states.
Bruh the primary was cancelled in multiple states lmao. The Democratic Party is a fucking joke.
Well duh, so why was is relevant for the the above commenter to bring up? That’s my point.
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Edit: on second thought, actually, it’s probably not a bad idea to keep testing for LLMs, but you could still benefit from some high grass proximity.
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My WWII veteran grandfather saw the Purple Heart band aids that they were handing out at the RNC in 2004 and swore off the party. He voted Democrat for the rest of his life.
I guess if you have to deliver a Purple Heart to your buddy’s grieving parents you don’t get the joke.
Nobody deep in the blue is going to stop voting Democrat over these things, stop pretending that’s the issue. The problem is that the people necessary for Biden to win are not your typical blue voter. They might dislike Donald Trump as well, but for whatever myriad of reasons don’t rule him out as a person they will vote for. They exists - if they didn’t there would be a critical mass of voters to win and the republican party would have been dead or you’d never have a Democrat as a president.
Most likely - they feel disenfranchised by both the Democrats and Republicans because their concerns aren’t being heard. And by not taking their concerns at least somewhat seriously yet again, you might piss enough of them off to lose the majority. And this attitude really isn’t helping in salvaging their trust. Telling someone they’re going to vote for a candidate they don’t trust or want whether they like it or not is NEVER a good slogan to run a campaign by. It only works on people that are well informed about what’s at stake behind the scenes.
What’s the problem with just being honest with each other for once. A better candidate more people could stand behind is what democracy demands. America’s two party system has always created unpopular choices, and everyone normally agrees with that. But when one side sinks to an extreme, suddenly it made the perfect choice on the opposite side? Why are people so afraid to open the possibility to unite behind a more coherent and capable Democrat backed by the same cabinet, who can dunk on Trump’s lies and rally people with a plan to actually make sure all the terrible things that happened get undone?
Saying you don’t want to vote for Biden isn’t an endorsement to vote for Trump, voting third party, or not voting at all. It’s a plea to find something similar, but better, that more people can stand behind.
It’s a thoughtless plea that is only self serving. You think you will effect change this way? By dividing the party. You’re a fool.
It is self serving. That’s the purpose. You’re not taking their concern seriously, so they’re pulling the trigger and saying “Fine, then I’m voting for the thing you fear more than I do.” We don’t live in a perfect world. Flawed people are voting too. Rejecting their look on things might be morally just, but you might just lose the presidency over it. It’s just like getting into a fatal accident on purpose because you “had the right of way”. And some people are seeing this coming, so even if they’d never vote Republican they still see the losing situation not speaking up puts them in.
All I see is infighting when the threat is very real and is very apparent. There is also every angle to bury the Trump but all people can do is turn on each other. These are obvious distractions and if you keep letting them trip you up, as they are intended to, trump will win.
Lol, would you be able to injure a human or, through inaction, allow a human to get injured?
In any case I believe you’re a bot.
