242 points

Because he’s done more to fix our healthcare system than any politician.

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I wouldn’t say fixed as things are the same way as they are, but reminded us how every day we are fucked by oligarchs.

This is a weird time as we just elected them, just look how many billionaires are in trump’s cabinet picks.

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as we just elected them

That’s because the system is rigged. We can only ever choose between one rich person and another.

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0 points

You can’t compare Harris and Trump in that regard whatsoever

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7 points

I mean, Anthem did back down from that stupid policy about time limit anesthesia

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3 points

To fix is not the same thing as fixed. He’s done more towards fixing the problem. This said, it’s very important to reiterate, as you have, that nearly NOTHING hss still been accomplished.

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14 points

We need more Luigis for some more fixing.

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10 points

He can fix us.

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48 points

I just saw the news that they’ve charged him with terrorism. It’s like they want to keep the outrage going, and give the jury a reason to acquit.

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Not guilty. You can only murder human beings. Brian Robert Thompson willingly relinquished his humanity a long time ago. What Luigi did was more akin to using bleach to treat mold in the bathroom. Killing a living thing? Yes. Murder? Certainly not.

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10 points

Daniel Jackson: It’s obviously fighting to survive.

O’Neill: So do bacteria!

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Oh, one Luigi damaged your world? Institute health care reform, or we’ll send dozens of them, one after the other!

God. How was SG1 so damn good? Every few years I do a rewatch of the whole franchise. It’s a masterpiece.

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14 points

They’ve charged Brian Thompson with terrorism for what he did - or at least caused - to tens of thousands of people each year?
Finally they start to make sense!

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18 people died since you made this comment due to UHC greed.

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They can charge him with whatever they want. Proving it to a jury is a whole other thing.

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Most life insurance policies don’t cover acts of terrorism.

I’m just saying…

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This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.

This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”

This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.

This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.

And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.

No I didn’t read the article.

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The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage.

Given his falling out with his ex-wife and penchant for alcoholism, they’re arguably better off without him, assuming he wasn’t already a deadbeat dad.

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Sure. Can you explain why this guy gets charged with terrorism, but school shooters and Jan 6ers don’t?

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Perception management, probably. I thought terrorism applied to upsetting state entities not private ones. How, by any stretch of the imagination, is a private health insurance company part of the United States government? It’s bizarre. Jan 6 would fall under that umbrella for sure.

What do you think?

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My thoughts is they’re making an example of him because he went after the true ruling class - CEOs. And the Jan 6 ers went after “the help” so the cops don’t care. Just like when the children of the masses are gunned down in schools. Get a school shooter at the private academy the president’s kids all attend and suddenly the ruling class will care.

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As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.

Just curious, what do you mean by “gun arguments aside”?

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I’m a gun owner. There is a subset of people who think that alone makes you unhinged as a human being.

Luigi is just crazy enough to do what he did (allegedly). Probably not even a gun owner beyond an engineer guy makes this tool/thing on his printer and then learns how to become proficient using that tool/thing. I don’t think Luigi was LARPing training exercises with an AK, with friends, in the northern MI woods. I think he probably approached it the same way the rest of us would approach learning Linux for our next PC build.

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I see, thanks for the clarification! I thought you were referring to the actual manifesto, and I was going to point out that the supposed real one didn’t mention guns at all, but if I recall correctly the fake one did. So never mind me.

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The killer is not threatening to you until semeone decides that you deserve to be killed.

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I would say that if you find this particular killer’s motives personally threatening, you should probably resign from your day job and move into your bunker.

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Have you killed thousands of people through insurance denials to make a quick buck? No?

Then you’re fine.

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Yes, exactly. I don’t think there is anyone in the world who knows me and believes that I, specifically, deserve to be killed. I think almost every person feels the same way. The rare exception being someone who has intentionally profoundly harmed or killed people.

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semeone decides

I would simply not deny Luigi his health care. And I’d sleep easy.

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Someone else may decide to kill you for a different reason.

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Someone, maybe, a fair point. It will probably happen at work if at all given the boring, “helper” life I lead.

But not this guy. That’s the salient point.

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That’s the point. “WHY” did they decide it had to be you.

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I haven’t killed tens of thousands of sick people so I’m safe.

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Someone might decide that something else you did is wrong.

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You mean someone like Brian Thompson?

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You mean Brian Robert Thompson?

It’s a long standing tradition to refer to serial killers by their full name. Think John Wayne Gacy. It seems appropriate here.

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10 points

You watch yourself on that slippery slope now.

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I see you getting downvoted but a lot of doctors get death threats too, and while everyone seems to have a horror story about a doctor they didn’t like, I’m pretty sure most are the scapegoats of a broken system. So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.

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a lot of doctors get death threats too

I gotta wonder at the folks who have bombed (or threatened to bomb) abortion clinics and been lionized by pro-Life advocates. Even granted clemency by ultra-right wing Republican governors.

None of them seem particularly enthusiastic about this slaying, though.

So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.

The starkest comparison I’ve seen is Daniel Perry - who strangled a man to death on the subway - getting box seats with the President/VP and a full throated cheer from folks on the right.

Meanwhile, Luigi has enormous mainstream appeal, but enjoys virtually no positive coverage among liberals on the left.

The division is stark. It’s very obvious that vigilantism is encouraged by the state when it targets certain people. CEOs just aren’t on the approved list.

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Found the CEO!

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If the person you’re replying to was a health insurance CEO I would be extremely supportive of that.

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the bullet etchings alone make it a work of art. He picked out the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america. Its very much a masterwork execution at a time when everybody wanted a reprieve from the trump media circus.

Timing: 10/10

Execution: 9/10

Target 10/10

Style: 10/10

We live in a country this happens every day I would take a CEO death over a Sandy Hook every time. I wish shootings weren’t as common but it is what it is.

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the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america.

Too bad that’s not trump :(

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With my limited view from Germany, thank God that it is not Trump. Presidents come and go, Democrats and Republicans swap places every now and then, but at the end, the US stays an oligarchy. By killing Trump you don’t change much, you might create a public outrage, but it’s like popping a pimple without addressing the acne. It might lead to an even bigger divide within the working class - those who were fooled into voting for Trump vs Democrats vs disappointed, disillusioned Democrats. One of the problems of the election was that not enough left leaning people saw the Democrats as much different from the Republicans, and they are right. Killing a politician would just distract from the problem even more. Just think of how much momentum Trump (and his movement) gained from the assassination attempt.

Here, for once in months, when we see tiktoks or other clips from the public, we cannot even tell immediately where they lean politically - we just see that everyone is fed up with the same crap. Now both left and right, united, experience how the media lies to them and tells a skewed narrative. This is amazing. I sincerely hope it will not die, I hope this will grow and continue to spread like a cancer through society.

It is sad that it took the murder of a person and a young man’s freedom for this.

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No no, I didn’t say I wish for him to be shot - that’s for separate discussion - I just wish he was the most unloved. Daydreaming…

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I don’t know. Trump is special. I’m hoping more "divine smiting’ for him. For a man that so seems to have the Devil’s charisma behind him, what more fitting end could there be than to die by lightning strike?

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Him being forced to actually work at McDonald’s to pay for his own rent and food.

But I will accept prison the rest of his life as a consolation prize.

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Walking the plank or hanged by the city wall maybe?

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7 points

Don’t give up hope. He’s had 3 attempts already, hoping #4 is a better shot

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If we were the principled society we pretend to others that we are, we would prefer 100 ceos to 1 Sandy Hook. CEO’s would be all for it as well.
But capitalism doesnt breed a lot of impulses to sacrifice for the greater good. “eff those peasants” is practically explicitely baked into it.

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Personally I would appreciate the irony of school shooters instead going after gun manufacturer executives. I like my justice delivered ironically.

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Execution: 9/10

Apart from the fact that he was caught by sitting in a public place and getting recognized, rather than laying low and staying out of public view for a while.

Assuming it’s actually Luigi. Not sure there’s even definitive proof yet.

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119 points

No shit… The gaping hole is the fact rich fucks are all we have to vote for. The President that recently won is the biggest example of undeserved wealth and power ever.

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54 points

Tell ya what. I’m struggling to make rent right now. Working 6 days a week, living alone, just keeping my head above water.

2028, everybody vote for me, and I’ll run on the platform of giving rich people the middle finger.

Like Robin Hood…except vulgar.

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25 points

You have my vote

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10 points

And my axe!

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You can’t afford to even run. You gonna start a gofundme?

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I’d vote for you. Especially if by middle finger you mean 90% top marginal tax rate.

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If someone ran for governor of NY on a platform of giving Luigi a full pardon, they would win in a landslide.

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In theory, couldn’t Luigi run for president from jail?

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You are delusional if you think that elections are not just a horse race for the rich and that common people have any power. If common people interests were what drives elections you would have had free healthcare, free education, worker right and more like a century ago.

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Robin Fucking Hood? RFH!!! It has s ring! Sure I’ll vote for you!

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1 point

You won me over

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4 points

Eh, feels very populist and single issue. What’s your plan for healthcare like?

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5 points

Tbf whatever they come up with will most likely be better than whats currently happening.

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7 points

Give it to the people who need it.

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you had me at “gaping hole”

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We need to bring back “No taxation without representation” because rich fucks sure as hell can’t fairly represent the rest of us.

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Well you see the problem is that its ‘no taxation for the represented’ oops.

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