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Hello. Iā€™m from Germany and I have bad news for you. If our own history taught me anything, itā€™s this: When there is a critical mass of citizens (including military personnel) who are willing to ignore common societal values and at the same time there is a corrupt justice system which can just bend the law to their will, there is very little in the way to full scale fascism. You guys have the groundwork for this right in front of your face. Your supreme court is only inches away from fulfilling that role and the last election showed that a majority of people are already blindsided enough to wholeheartedly believe the bullshit that they are being fed.

So please donā€™t take this lightly. Democracy is not for granted and it can be taken away. Itā€™s a slow process up to a point where things fall in place and then it happens very quickly. In Germany the rise of the Nazis didnā€™t happen over night. Warning signs were there from the first world war on, and the slow erosion of society along with economic factors was a key element. Hitler himself was widely regarded as a loud mouthed clown with little chance to actually accomplish anything.

The erosion part has been going on in the US for decades now. This time, most of the puzzle pieces needed are already in place.

And about the ā€œthey are incompetent, it wonā€™t be that badā€ argument. They donā€™t need competence to break things when they are in power. Breaking things is precisely what these people are looking for. Destruction of democratic values, economic instability, fear, poverty, chaos and social unrest are the key to more power. You just need to look at the designated cabinet positions. Those candidates were specifically chosen to fuck things up in the worst way imaginable. This is not a coincidence. This is a recipe taken right from the fascistā€™s handbook.

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69 points

A lot of us know and agree.

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22 points

We are the ones without any power.

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13 points

Please find your groups, organize, protest, demand change. We, the rest of the world, saw how big youā€™ve protested for good before, and itā€™s needed now more than ever in your country. Youā€™re not powerless, youā€™re not alone, and your actions matter.

You live in a country that used to pride itself as a world leader, and while that image is long gone and lost, weā€™re still watching you guys.

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44 points

You are correct, and those of us who arenā€™t fucking morons have known this since even before he came into power the first time. We have a lot of horrible and/or apathetic people. Democracy is worthless if the populace is uninformed or doesnā€™t participate. Now itā€™s dead here.

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Education should be free, even for the kids if the neighbor you donā€™t like.

Of course itā€™s not free, it costs tax money, but itā€™s okay. Id rather my neighbors had free education, then maybe Iā€™d like them.

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11 points

Iā€™d rather have less money and less idiots than more of both

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12 points

The problem is this is the US. This is the worldā€™s most major superpower. This is the nation whose companies fed and propped up the Nazis. Because what little of democracy there was in the US is now certainly going to fall, itā€™s going to drag the whole world with it. Too many shitheads in too many countries, including Germany, will be willing to follow suit, and all the major superpowers left will be all too willing to prop them up with little to no regard for what rules they wonā€™t break in the process. We might even see the US trying to strong-arm nations in the same way China has been trying to strong-arm Taiwan. At a time where the surveillance and control tools at their disposal are at a dystopian high. At a time ramping up for chaos due to major environment and resource collapses that we have been foreseeing for decades.

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Absolutely. The tendencies are visible all over the world and there will be grave consequences for all of us. However, there are differences. In Germany for example after the horrors of WW2 the political system was specifically designed to prevent something like this from happening again (ironically the creation of the german constitution was heavily influenced by the US). Which sounds like a good thing at first, but what happened in the last decade was basically this: The right wing parties became stronger at every election and as a result there were coalitions forged between opposing parties to prevent right wing parties from taking over power. And this in term lead to years of standstill in political decision making, dragging down the country, because opposing parties tend to block each others ideas. Which in turn made the right wing even stronger, because they now had someone to blame for the resulting mess. Germany and by extension Europe as well have a lot of bureaucracy, which on one side gives a bit of a shield against hostile takeovers, but has a downside of inefficiency in acting to protect democracy too. Itā€™s not looking too good, but Trumpā€™s habit of pissing off his allies might have a net positive effect of uniting people against this bullying and encouraging them to get their shit together. But I think itā€™s to early to tell. Could as well sway in the other direction and produce Trump bootlicking countries like you said.

About surveillance technologies, indeed the possibilities set our current situation apart from when Nazis came to power in the past. Itā€™s absolutely crazy to witness how a commercial surveillance industry disguised as ad services (Google/Meta/ā€¦) created a monster that makes Orwellā€™s 1984 look like a childrenā€™s book, and most people still donā€™t even understand the implications in order to realize what theyā€™re up against. From a european perspective, there is an upside in that at least for now the EU is actively trying to limit the power of those mega corporations. These processes however are chugging along at snail pace due to the aforementioned bureaucracy. Slow, but steady. Which is at least something.

Sorry for the lengthy reply. Itā€™s such a broad topic and there are no easy answers.

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the thing that infuriates me is not so much that it will happen, but that people will not believe that it is happening or has happened

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1 point

Wonder what one can do about this?

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Thereā€™s a lot one can do. This is a nice starter:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/17/how-to-survive-the-broligarchy-20-lessons-for-the-post-truth-world-donald-trump

I would have framed a few things differently, so hereā€™s my take:

  • The system thrives on fear and isolation of individuals. So, obviously, do not succumb to fear and apathy.

  • Be kind to your fellow humans (that includes people who believe the bullshit! Most of them arenā€™t evil just very misguided).

  • Offer help and look out for each other.

  • Get organized, donā€™t isolate yourself hidden behind your phone. There are organizations in which you can help a good cause and gain a network of trusted people in return.

  • Stay alert and aware of the situation.

  • Donā€™t assume safety just because you think youā€™re not the target right now. They start with the weakest ones but thatā€™s just the beginning.

  • Plan ahead and have an escape plan ready just in case.

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134 points

Bracing for ā€œWait, I didnā€™t think you meant me?!?!?ā€

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79 points

ā€œCool, a leopard! Can I pet it?ā€

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93 points

Next up: arson attack on US Congress. And then the Enabling Act.

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12 points

Didnā€™t the Canadian burn the Whitehouse down once or something?

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64 points

Twice.

Donā€™t make us come down there a third time, I swear to Gord.

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34 points

Honestly, Iā€™m not seeing a downside here.

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21 points

American here: genuinely, I would appreciate it if you did.

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9 points

Hypothetically, what would trigger you guys? Just asking questionsā€¦

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2 points

If you go for the hat trick, may Gord find mercy in your heart to annex the TI region on your march back.

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Donā€™t. Please. Whatever will we do to stop you? /s

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1 point

I swear to Gord

Deliberate misspelling of ā€œGodā€œ, famous hockey player, or short for Gordon? More than one of the above?

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1 point

Thatā€™s not true. It was the British, and it happened once in 1814. And it didnā€™t ā€œburn down.ā€

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10 points

Canadians conservatives burnt down their own parliament too.

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4 points

We already had our enabling act, the Supreme Court presidential immunity ruling.

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4 points

Yep. All of this talk about the makeup of Congress, and having an opposition party becomes moot when you hand power to fascists.

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My crazy prediction is that trump will try to duplicate the burning of the Reichstag. Except, in typical fashion, he will do so in a comically inept fashion. Heā€™ll try to burn down the Reichstag, and heā€™ll actually succeed! Unfortunately, heā€™ll burn down the Reichstagā€¦the actual Reichstag, not the US capital, but the present-day German parliament building.

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Like the German version of Nazis before them, they arenā€™t coming for their biggest target first. Theyā€™re coming for their political opposition, the ā€œabortionistsā€, the atheists, the drug users, the mentally illā€¦

RFK Jr.:

ā€œIā€™m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need ā€” three or four years if they need itā€” to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,ā€

Re-education camps, huh.

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69 points

ā€œprepared to declare a national emergency and will use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion through a mass deportation program.ā€

  • TrumpĀ repostedĀ Fittonā€™s comment Monday with the caption, ā€œTRUE!!ā€

I donā€™t even know what to say. Iā€™m gobsmacked to depression daily that youā€™re ok with this.

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But EGG PRICES! The economy!

And heā€™s such a strong leaderā€¦

(I am paraphrasing actual interviews our local networks did with college students)

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12 points

I think we need to start using strongman in conversation more for the people who donā€™t know what it means.

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13 points

Iā€™m afraid it would just bolster his image. Become a tiktok meme or somethingā€¦

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6 points

I think those colleges need to stop charging tuition. Clearly, their education is worthless.

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3 points

They need to take their phones away in class.

I hate to sound so salty and old, but jeez.

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40 points

Hey, the democratic party wasnā€™t close enough to the workers so there was no alternativeā€¦

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10 points

But Obama wore a tan suit!

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11 points

Where were you when America was violated by the terrorist fist jab?

Also, I will never forget how Michelle Obama sullied this country with her bare armsā€¦

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Iā€™m gobsmacked to depression daily that youā€™re ok with this.

People who sat at home or pretended like they could wash their hands of it by voting 3rd party are OK with this. Iā€™m sure as shit not.

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