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I might be reading into the subtext a bit too much, but I got the impression that the human society shown in the background was ecofascist. Hear me out, starting with the large-scale rewilding. That is a process that would require the displacement of millions (perhaps billions) of people from their homes. Whether that was driven by climate change or forced migration we don’t know, but the implications are fairly grim. In addition, the geodesic dome we see doesn’t contain a biosphere, but a monoculture carefully maintained by robots complete with over-the-top security robots for dealing with “pests,” and the helper robot commercial we see (which heavily implies a capitalist society) shows a city with well-mowed grass lawns and trimmed hedges. From this it seems that humans didn’t engage in regenerative practices, but rather allowed nature to reclaim parts of the world on its’ own. This shows a humanity that has not embraced nature, but rather fully separated themselves from it.

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I don’t even necessarily disagree that it’s counterproductive, I just don’t think it’s fair to attack someone for using esoteric or unconventional language. Yes, it inconveniences the listener - or in this case the reader - but in this context no one is being forced to engage with OP. By using some Old English letters OP is just having some innocent fun at no one’s expense, which doesn’t warrant the harsh response they’re receiving.

If you were talking to someone and they casually used xe/xey pronouns (or any neopronouns for that matter) to refer to a friend who isn’t there, would you go out of your way to lecture them about what an inconvenience it is to you to have to learn something new?

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That didn’t really answer my question.

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You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using letters pronouns that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.

Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some Middle English letters english pronouns, and not any other rules of Middle English grammar or spelling different types of english pronouns.

They can use whatever language pronouns they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.

Doesn’t sound so reasonable now, does it? If language that mildly inconveniences others is an acceptable way to express your gender identity, then why not also to express yourself creatively?

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Thank you for explaining, I’m sorry for being insensitive. I already explained that I meant no disrespect towards AME. I disagree that the point I made has nothing to do with it. AME was at one time esoteric among the general US population, and that is the only way I’m saying that AME and OP’s use of Old English letters are alike.

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I vaguely recall you saying you were Jewish in an earlier comment, if you’re actually black then I apologize. If not then perhaps you can try asking someone who is African American if they find what I said “highly offensive.”

You see OP’s use of Old English as worthy of derision, so you interpreted my comparison as belittling towards AME. I don’t share your aversion to esoteric forms of expression, so my comparison is entirely without malice.

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You don’t get it, I find it annoying so you should cater to me. STOP HAVING FUN BECAUSE I FEEL EXCLUDED!!!1!1!1

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No. Not same deal. One is dialect with slang, which is readable, and which you can just easily look up if you don’t know.

I couldn’t read OP’s post so I looked it up and now I can. All it takes is a little effort, which if you’re not willing to expend you can simply move on.

The other is using letters that even most native English speakers can’t parse.

Sure African American English (which is not just slang, but an entire dialect with a different set of grammatical rules) is common and recognizable to most native English speakers now, but there was a time when it was just as inscrutable to them as OP’s post.

Also, comparing this person’s nonsense to an ethnic group’s way of speaking is highly offensive. I hope you realize that.

I get that you think you’re being progressive by getting offended on others’ behalf, but all you’re really doing is using that ethnic group’s struggle as a rhetorical device to shame me for having a dissenting opinion. I am comparing them because they are alike in a way that is relevant to my point, not because I think they are identical.

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The conversation I had with drag before about drag’s reasons for speaking this way shifted my perspective enough that Phlubbadubba’s use of Old English doesn’t bother me the way it probably would have before. I understood drag, but seeing how negatively people are responding to a tiny bit of Old English makes me appreciate drag. Keep it up.

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Do you think it’s shitty for black people in America to use African American English dialect on public forums where non-native speakers could see it? Same deal, just different levels of familiarity. Nothing is forcing anyone to engage with this post, but a lot of people seem to feel a strong enough desire to enforce social conformity that they go out of their way to complain about someone doing something different.

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