cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17199847
@Snowden
The DNC is the only reason you’re not currently enjoying a second-term Sanders and a sane Supreme Court.
Acknowledged. We circled the wagons around the wrong candidate twice in a row. Hillary Clinton was a well qualified candidate with likeability issues. Biden is a long time politician with equally good if not better qualifications than Clinton, he’s just old. Bernie is older. Bernie aligns a hell of a lot closer to my beliefs than the other candidates out there. Bernie isn’t in this race and has endorsed Biden, he’s a wise man and usually is right on most topics. I’m going with Bernie on this one, vote Biden and start building the next generation of leaders, maybe that next leader is you.
Both Hillary and Biden are closer to the country as a whole and more likely to pull moderates, who you need to win if you want to actually win a national election.
The internet has allowed leftists to delude themselves into thinking the only people that need to be appealed to is them.
They fundamentally do not understand the kinds of people that make up this country. I’d love if we were a left leaning population. We aren’t. Continually lying to ourselves about why Bernie didn’t win is a type of paralyzing ignorance that only looks more and more absurd as the years go on.
Do a poll asking Americans their political alignment and the balance will be center right. Poll them again on specific issues and the average end up well to the left of the Democratic party. For a prime example, look at how all the abortion referendums have turned out in red states.
If you poll Americans on issues and not on politicians, the average American is politically closer to Bernie than to Biden. Bernie is more centrist than Biden is.
In case you have not noticed Bernie is not on the ballot. He is supporting Joe Biden. If you support Bernie, you will vote for Joe Biden, not some off the wall third party candidate.
Also Biden’s policies resonate with Democrats AND Republicans. Our oligarch owned MSM doesn’t do ANY favors for Joe Biden.
If I ever tell you who to vote for, don’t listen to me. -B. Sanders
He’d be disappointed that, despite all his educational efforts, you still fucking refuse to think for yourself.
likeability issues
Is that what we call white supremacism these days? A “likeability issue?”
Hilary Clinton is white
Gee… what tipped you off? Was it when she started spouting white supremacist “super-predator” narratives, or did you clock her beforehand?
I think by likability they mean she’s a woman with opinions. Nobody likes that.
I voted Hilary because lesser of two evils. But I despise her snake in the grass ass! And me not liking her has absolutely nothing to do with her gender.
But you are right that there are many that hate on a strong, vocal female (AOC).
There are still many strong females out there that would have done better than Hillary and would make great leaders
Classic victim blaming.
The only reason we are here is because of Republican actions not Dem inactions.
That’s literally not how reality works, OP.
Shame.
If democrats could have managed to find a likable candidate in 2016 things would be different. How could you find someone more likable than Hillary?
The amount of disinformation funneled into the US social media platforms was also on a whole different level than ever seen before. Facebook itself spread enough disinformation and propaganda that it single-handedly helped disenfranchise a large number of people. It’s really what helped create Trumps cult, and divided everyone else.
Yep, it was just a messaging problem, not a reality problem.
It certainly wasn’t that Clinton ran the most incompetent campaign in my lifetime. Ignoring the Midwest swing States, even as their local Democratic parties begged for support couldn’t have had anything to do with it.
Her support for war, from murdering Gaddafi and wanting to start ww3 with Russia over Syria, and voting for Iraq were all just historical notes of no importance to anyone.
Sanders polled better in swing states. States like Michigan and Winsconsin would have been a significantly closer battleground had they chosen the more charismatic person over the system choice.
The DNC picked the choice their core base wanted most, but not the choice the swing states would have voted more likely for. It isn’t a game of who you want to win at times, its a game of who would have had a better chance.
They finally admit Clinton blew Sanders out of the water in the popular vote but only when they think it gives them an excuse to talk down at the stupid proles who didn’t know what was good for them.
You’re basically complaining that Trump got a bullshit EC win but Sanders didn’t.
First the fix is in because there weren’t primaries and now it’s in because the DNC listened to it too much.
Anything to worship at the altar of St. Bernard, who told you shitbags to support the winner both times.
To those who disagree here are some articles from 2016
https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/politics/superdelegates-hillary-clinton-nomination/index.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2016/07/25/dnc-betrayed-bernie-sanders-and-the-rest-of-america/
It’s amazing people don’t see this for the propaganda it is coming from this user.
Everyone who doesn’t vote for Genocide Joe is a Russian troll!
Good luck in the Blue MAGA echo chamber.
I love how the narrative focuses on 2016 and not 2020, where he lost all on his own.
Nah, he lost because the people that are still posting this shit didn’t spend half the energy turning put to vote in the primaries that they do complaining about everyone who did.
Anyone else remember how “low information voters” kept coming up whenever the significantly black state primaries swung for Clinton or Biden?
Are you forgetting all the primaries Sanders won early? Are you intentionally ignoring the orchestrated dropouts and back room deals that allowed the centrist wing of the party to coalesce behind Biden at the exact moment he needed them to? You must be because all you’re talking about here is the great liberal paradise of South Carolina. How many EC votes did Biden win for taking SC? Oh yeah, zero because it’s a red state that doesn’t vote for Democrats in the general election but for some reason people like you love to point at it and pretend that a black Democrat in the South is the primary target of a DNC Presidential campaign.
I love this kvetch that basically amounts to "it’s unfair that the centrists realized they had a combined majority and then acted like it!"
Your key accusation is an admission that the man was not even a winner among the party he was running in and that the only reason he was doing so well was because of the spoiler effect.
1912 must look like the most legit election in American history to you! 40% of the popular vote is plenty of a mandate for ol’ Wilson!
Had Bernie had the same turnout in a system that isn’t ass backwards like FPTP he would never have been able to escape second place in any of the primaries.
