263 points

shrugs in Firefox

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Why not LibreWolf? It’s Firefox without Mozilla’s BS.

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Haven’t heard of it before now

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107 points

Careful, there are some edgy people out there who don’t want to use more than one browser because Firefox doesn’t work with their cameras /s

Meanwhile, I’ll still be using Firefox too

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61 points

Who needs to give their browser access to their camera?

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58 points

May be bad phrasing, but Firefox doesn’t support h.265 so there’s limitations with streaming video on some camera platforms and other sites.

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34 points

People who have to use their browser for telehealth and virtual teller banking access.

Sadly these are also things that require better security.

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People who use Webex, zoom, etc for one use in try browser and don’t normally use those links. Happens at work when an outside vendor doesn’t use what we do.

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I use MS teams for meetings every day at work, in Firefox, in Linux. It’s nice that even the camera works when I need it to.

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8 points

I do this with Discord and Zoom as an alternative to installing their actual apps. 99% of the functionality is there anyway, and the 1% is stuff I don’t want anyway

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It’s so frustratingly annoying. I primarily use Firefox, but switch to Chrome for specific Google services on my mobile. Once in a while, the search suggests I take a photo? Why?

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You say that like they didn’t just remove several other adblock extensions themselves

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From what I’ve heard, they only “removed” uBlock Origin Lite. Normal uBO is still up.

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Actually, they flagged UBO Lite and the dev removed it himself in a fit of pique.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2474353/popular-ad-blocker-removed-from-firefox-extension-store.html

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No they didn’t.

They’re still there. Ublock origin is the god-tier adblock, and it’s still there. It’s even a Recommended by Mozilla extension.

I know people on Lemmy often, for some reason, hate Mozilla more than Google or Microsoft, but Mozilla very much still caters to people who want to block ads, despite the disinformation on Lemmy.

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I don’t think Lemmy users hate Firefox. I feel like alot of it is either people who legitimately have whatever needs they have, fulfilled by chrome more than firefox, or…it’s fucking astroturfers/fanboys.

Edit Addendum: Also, if anything, Lemmy users fucking love Firefox.

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I think people don’t hate Mozilla, they want them to do better as there are not many options left if you care about privacy. It’d just be nice to not have to pick the lesser evil for once.

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19 points

The one they removed isn’t relevant until Firefox also removes manifest V2 which they have no plans for.

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18 points

Firefox has a different manifest v3 that still retains webrequest functionality, so even when they do switch over it’ll be fine.

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Except they didn’t… If you read more than headlines

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shrugs in books

They have no idea how stubborn I am.

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124 points

What could go wrong when you let an ad company dictate the browser standards/rules.

I know we have Firefox and some forks like librewolf, but percentage wise it feels like a lost battle ( even if I am on Firefox ).

If only people switched en masse to Firefox for the ad blocker. Wouldn’t that be something… One big collective FU to Google.

Oh well. One can dream I guess.

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The average Joe or Jane have no idea about ad blocking possibilities. They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing the web.

I have even shown people the difference between their browsing experience and mine, and still they can’t be arsed to install an ad-blocker.

But then again, they use tiktok and Instagram and all the other brain-numbing shit out there.

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They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing part of the web

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The average Joe or Jane have no idea about ad blocking possibilities. They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing the web.

Actually about a third of all users have an adblocker installed. Adblocking has been mainstream for a while, no doubt why Google finally stopped pretending they were OK with it.

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My wife didn’t even notice when I turned on the pi-hole. She also told me she thinks there’s a virus on her phone.

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I personally wouldn’t mind ads, if they weren’t too obtuse and/or malware ridden.

I often turn off the adblocker for independent news sites, as theirs are less obtuse and are vetted better than just running an AI to detect nudity and/or slurs.

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By all means bring back the banner and side ads that are just one banner and a couple of side ads. Breaking every paragraph up by two more ads is just a miserable experience. Have you tried to look up a recipe lately? Trying to find a recipe without an ad blocker pisses me off and off that I just give up on the recipe. Even though I know it’s on the page, between the 5,000 word essay trying to convey their nostalgia for the recipe and the 27 different ads that break that 5,000 word essay into 25 pages, I’d rather DDOS them then get the recipe from them.

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3 points

Normal price is usually offered before charging it.

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They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing the web.

Which is great, offsets us who do use adblocks. It would be awful if majority of users would use adblocks.

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11 points

There comes a point where one realizes that those around you cannot be relied upon to leverage solutions. Psychopaths get ahead because they’re willing to play dirty. So much of the world can be summed up as large swaths of population being induced to behave or think certain ways by psychopathic manipulators.

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3 points

Data serves a great role in this. It’s a currency of control.

Political, social, etc.

Which is why privacy is so goddamn important.

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98 points

We’ve known this was coming for a while now . . . but I suppose not everyone reads tech news.

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15 points

one might say that this piece of news is the… canary… in the coal mine?

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8 points

I mean… Even if everyone knows it’s coming, you still need to have notice when it actually happens right?

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81 points

I used to recommend uBlock as a no-brainer, now folks really need to change towards a better browser.

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Or get network wide blocking. Doesn’t prevent everything but it does prevent most ads. Makes the internet tolerable at least.

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61 points

nah, lets get them switched away from chromium based spy machines.

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16 points

Not everyone can. Work machines for instance.

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6 points

Something like NextDNS as a no-brainer? It works but hits the limit of the free tier if people use it beyond their phone.

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PiHole and a TailScale exit node so you can use it for DNS whether or not you’re on your home network.

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4 points

ControlD then.

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Pihole is good for a private network, but you can forget it in a work setting, especially corporate networks.

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I recommended pihole to my senior webdeveloper. She didn’t know about it and was blown away by the concept. She installed it immediately and is now living happily ad free.

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And what? If someone can live with ads, they can stay. Otherwise anyone can install Firefox. I was all-in Google since the beginning of Gmail. And switching to Firefox was completely painless. Everything works the same, times of website incompatibility are long gone.

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Because Google is trying to turn the internet into a walled garden where only people with Chrome can visit the majority of websites.

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I’ve been been a full time Firefox user for three years now. Haven’t experience a single problem like that. Haven’t really experienced any problem at all to be honest

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Unfortunately that has not been the case for me. Some sites for buying concert tickets don’t seem to like Firefox.

I’ve had problems with several Microsoft sites we use internally for work ever since Edge went to Chrome.

It’s not Firefox’s fault. Mozilla is abiding by web standards.

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Your past experiences with Firefox are irrelevant because we’re talking about the future.

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try changing your user-agent to mock chrome in Firefox while you visit YouTube.

you should see a drastic difference in UX.

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Do you use YouTube?

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6 points

Maybe part of the monopoly ruling will have chrome taken away from them.

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What if websites decide that chrome users earn much more ad revenue and start forcing users to switch with those “This website only supports Chrome” error messages? What if this practice gets popular? I’m sure there are ways to get around it, but the average users who bothered switching to Firefox at all, will just conclude that anything except chrome has a bad browsing experience.

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Can’t you have your Firefox browser just report itself as chrome?

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7 points

You certainly can. They don’t know what you’re doing.

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Then apple would whip out their giant throbbing cock and smack them with it because they want people using safari.

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i never understood how those messages work? like how would using firefox ruin your website? or how they even detect firefox in the first place lmfao

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They can in theory make tricks showing that you are using an ad blocker or a specific browser. Even if you set Chrome’s user agent in Firefox.

I personally wouldn’t make such effort to use such websites then.

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Browsers have user-agent identifiers, websites can see what browser and what version you use.

They are mostly used to run browser-dependent code to avoid some things breaking in some browsers.

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2 points

Visit about:compat. Sites already do that. Firefox can deal.

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times of website incompatibility are long gone

I wish I could agree with that. Hell, I have to use Chrome to download my phone bill from Virgin, and a couple of others don’t work.

And don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming FF. It’s these lazy web developers that only target Chrome. I’m sure Safari users get the same shit experience.

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7 points

times of website incompatibility are long gone.

cries in dev

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I’ve cried also in dev a lot in the past, but mostly don’t cry so much anymore

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Issue is, a lot of people think the only browser in existence is “google”. I even had people looking me at funny for having an e-mail address ending in outlook.com rather than the usual gmail.com, and not because of some anti-MS sentiment, but because they thought e-mail was invented by Google, hance the name “gmail”.

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but because they thought e-mail was invented by Google, hance the name “gmail”.

Life is scary.

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I really wish Firefox implemented easily switchable browser profiles. I am use Firefox mainly but for work I’ll still use edge so I can use this feature.

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I don’t know exactly what part of a separate profile you are after, so this may not be a 100% substitute, but I found container tabs in Firefox to work quite well (with some extensions to improve UX). It’s still the same profile though, so passwords and history are shared.

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firefox.exe -P -no-remote

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Yep so happy with Firefox having switched back a couple years ago.

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some people dont want firefox bcs its kinda slower then chromium based tbh but it aint bad am not saying firefox is bad

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They’re not that different any longer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883

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Oh

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Everything works the same, times of website incompatibility are long gone.

Not completely true. It’s mostly true. I’ve daily driven Firefox for years, and the number of websites I’ve crossed that wouldn’t function in it correctly but would work just fine in Chrome was very slim… but not zero. Definitely not comparable to the complete shitshow of the 90’s and 00’s. That’s true. But it’s not a completely solved problem.

And with Mozilla’s leadership practically looking for footguns to play with combined with the threat of Google’s sugar daddy checks drying up soon due to the antitrust suit (how utterly ironic that busting up the monopoly would actually harm the only competition…), that gap can get much worse in very little time if resources to keep full time devs paid disappear.

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