63 points

And what? If someone can live with ads, they can stay. Otherwise anyone can install Firefox. I was all-in Google since the beginning of Gmail. And switching to Firefox was completely painless. Everything works the same, times of website incompatibility are long gone.

permalink
report
reply
81 points

Because Google is trying to turn the internet into a walled garden where only people with Chrome can visit the majority of websites.

permalink
report
parent
reply
20 points

I’ve been been a full time Firefox user for three years now. Haven’t experience a single problem like that. Haven’t really experienced any problem at all to be honest

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

Your past experiences with Firefox are irrelevant because we’re talking about the future.

permalink
report
parent
reply
0 points

Do you use YouTube?

permalink
report
parent
reply
30 points

Unfortunately that has not been the case for me. Some sites for buying concert tickets don’t seem to like Firefox.

I’ve had problems with several Microsoft sites we use internally for work ever since Edge went to Chrome.

It’s not Firefox’s fault. Mozilla is abiding by web standards.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

try changing your user-agent to mock chrome in Firefox while you visit YouTube.

you should see a drastic difference in UX.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Maybe part of the monopoly ruling will have chrome taken away from them.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

some people dont want firefox bcs its kinda slower then chromium based tbh but it aint bad am not saying firefox is bad

permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points

They’re not that different any longer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Oh

permalink
report
parent
reply
19 points

What if websites decide that chrome users earn much more ad revenue and start forcing users to switch with those “This website only supports Chrome” error messages? What if this practice gets popular? I’m sure there are ways to get around it, but the average users who bothered switching to Firefox at all, will just conclude that anything except chrome has a bad browsing experience.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Visit about:compat. Sites already do that. Firefox can deal.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Then apple would whip out their giant throbbing cock and smack them with it because they want people using safari.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

i never understood how those messages work? like how would using firefox ruin your website? or how they even detect firefox in the first place lmfao

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Browsers have user-agent identifiers, websites can see what browser and what version you use.

They are mostly used to run browser-dependent code to avoid some things breaking in some browsers.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

They can in theory make tricks showing that you are using an ad blocker or a specific browser. Even if you set Chrome’s user agent in Firefox.

I personally wouldn’t make such effort to use such websites then.

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points
*

Can’t you have your Firefox browser just report itself as chrome?

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

You certainly can. They don’t know what you’re doing.

permalink
report
parent
reply
14 points

times of website incompatibility are long gone

I wish I could agree with that. Hell, I have to use Chrome to download my phone bill from Virgin, and a couple of others don’t work.

And don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming FF. It’s these lazy web developers that only target Chrome. I’m sure Safari users get the same shit experience.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

Issue is, a lot of people think the only browser in existence is “google”. I even had people looking me at funny for having an e-mail address ending in outlook.com rather than the usual gmail.com, and not because of some anti-MS sentiment, but because they thought e-mail was invented by Google, hance the name “gmail”.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

but because they thought e-mail was invented by Google, hance the name “gmail”.

Life is scary.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

I really wish Firefox implemented easily switchable browser profiles. I am use Firefox mainly but for work I’ll still use edge so I can use this feature.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points
*

I don’t know exactly what part of a separate profile you are after, so this may not be a 100% substitute, but I found container tabs in Firefox to work quite well (with some extensions to improve UX). It’s still the same profile though, so passwords and history are shared.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

firefox.exe -P -no-remote

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Yep so happy with Firefox having switched back a couple years ago.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Everything works the same, times of website incompatibility are long gone.

Not completely true. It’s mostly true. I’ve daily driven Firefox for years, and the number of websites I’ve crossed that wouldn’t function in it correctly but would work just fine in Chrome was very slim… but not zero. Definitely not comparable to the complete shitshow of the 90’s and 00’s. That’s true. But it’s not a completely solved problem.

And with Mozilla’s leadership practically looking for footguns to play with combined with the threat of Google’s sugar daddy checks drying up soon due to the antitrust suit (how utterly ironic that busting up the monopoly would actually harm the only competition…), that gap can get much worse in very little time if resources to keep full time devs paid disappear.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

times of website incompatibility are long gone.

cries in dev

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I’ve cried also in dev a lot in the past, but mostly don’t cry so much anymore

permalink
report
parent
reply
263 points

shrugs in Firefox

permalink
report
reply
-50 points

You say that like they didn’t just remove several other adblock extensions themselves

permalink
report
parent
reply
34 points
*

No they didn’t.

They’re still there. Ublock origin is the god-tier adblock, and it’s still there. It’s even a Recommended by Mozilla extension.

I know people on Lemmy often, for some reason, hate Mozilla more than Google or Microsoft, but Mozilla very much still caters to people who want to block ads, despite the disinformation on Lemmy.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I think people don’t hate Mozilla, they want them to do better as there are not many options left if you care about privacy. It’d just be nice to not have to pick the lesser evil for once.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points
*

I don’t think Lemmy users hate Firefox. I feel like alot of it is either people who legitimately have whatever needs they have, fulfilled by chrome more than firefox, or…it’s fucking astroturfers/fanboys.

Edit Addendum: Also, if anything, Lemmy users fucking love Firefox.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

shrugs in books

They have no idea how stubborn I am.

permalink
report
parent
reply
35 points

From what I’ve heard, they only “removed” uBlock Origin Lite. Normal uBO is still up.

permalink
report
parent
reply
57 points
*

Actually, they flagged UBO Lite and the dev removed it himself in a fit of pique.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2474353/popular-ad-blocker-removed-from-firefox-extension-store.html

permalink
report
parent
reply
19 points

The one they removed isn’t relevant until Firefox also removes manifest V2 which they have no plans for.

permalink
report
parent
reply
18 points

Firefox has a different manifest v3 that still retains webrequest functionality, so even when they do switch over it’ll be fine.

permalink
report
parent
reply
13 points

Except they didn’t… If you read more than headlines

permalink
report
parent
reply
107 points

Careful, there are some edgy people out there who don’t want to use more than one browser because Firefox doesn’t work with their cameras /s

Meanwhile, I’ll still be using Firefox too

permalink
report
parent
reply
61 points

Who needs to give their browser access to their camera?

permalink
report
parent
reply
58 points

May be bad phrasing, but Firefox doesn’t support h.265 so there’s limitations with streaming video on some camera platforms and other sites.

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points

I use MS teams for meetings every day at work, in Firefox, in Linux. It’s nice that even the camera works when I need it to.

permalink
report
parent
reply
34 points

People who have to use their browser for telehealth and virtual teller banking access.

Sadly these are also things that require better security.

permalink
report
parent
reply
20 points
*

People who use Webex, zoom, etc for one use in try browser and don’t normally use those links. Happens at work when an outside vendor doesn’t use what we do.

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

I do this with Discord and Zoom as an alternative to installing their actual apps. 99% of the functionality is there anyway, and the 1% is stuff I don’t want anyway

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

It’s so frustratingly annoying. I primarily use Firefox, but switch to Chrome for specific Google services on my mobile. Once in a while, the search suggests I take a photo? Why?

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Why not LibreWolf? It’s Firefox without Mozilla’s BS.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Haven’t heard of it before now

permalink
report
parent
reply
-2 points

I’m being downvoted heavily on Reddit for suggesting thorium instead of Chrome.

My guess is bots as thorium is way faster and the dev hates the thought of a chromium browser without Adblock.

Moronically I think the Reddit hive mind is following that opinion and I may have to delete the comment or face site wide blacklisting which is what usually happens.

permalink
report
reply
1 point

Thorium doesn’t support secure streaming, so while it was amazeballs fast, it wasn’t useful. Ended up picking Vivaldi for watching streaming.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

tbh i dont like thoriums update cycle you stay on 1 version for 4 months the firefox fork is even worse thats why i use ungoogled chromium instead

permalink
report
parent
reply
-1 points
*

Kinda agree it should have an update built in, I’m using Chris Titas/Titus update script to update it.

Which to be honest doesn’t seem to update it much.

I’m mostly basing my use on it being quite fast and the dev cursing out Google and swearing to keep Ublock.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I mean like chrome version updates and stuff

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

Didn’t thorium had some drama the other day though?

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

i am pretty sure it was resolved and explained , crisis Titus also had a video but ever since its members only and i cannot find a reupload.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I’ll take your word for it but between all the nonsense Google and Mozilla have pulled I’m not sure where to place my belief.

I’m sticking to thorium for now because it’s fast and does what I want in a browser

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

First I’ve heard of it honestly, I’m in the weird position I don’t really trust Google or Mozilla so all I’m using is forks.

If those go ad crazy I’m kinda screwed.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-2 points

I’m currently using safari on a MacBook. Way more power efficient than chrome.

permalink
report
reply
-2 points

Hoping that Vivaldi is going to hold off somehow - perhaps with their built-in ad blocker. And before you say “switch to Firefox”, I’ll say I’m not gonna, at least not until I see native mouse gestures implemented and working everywhere.

permalink
report
reply

I made the switch from Vivaldi back to Firefox recently. I loved Vivaldi, but I’m happy with Firefox too.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

Fair enough. All I’m saying is that mouse gestures are so much ingrained in my muscle memory that their absence in native capacity (and reliance on extensions for that) is a show-stopper for me.

permalink
report
parent
reply

I get it. Date your distro, marry your browser.

I miss the level of customization you could do in Vivaldi, down to minute details. But I don’t miss it enough to put up with ads and tracking nonsense.

I started on Firefox back when it was a beta called Phoenix. I eventually moved to chromium based browsers like the rest of the world, but now I’m back. I’ve come full circle!

permalink
report
parent
reply

Technology

!technology@lemmy.world

Create post

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


Community stats

  • 18K

    Monthly active users

  • 5.6K

    Posts

  • 114K

    Comments