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This patent was first submitted in late July 2024 and granted the following month, after Nintendo and The Pokemon Company asked for an accelerated review process.

What the fuck - so, they’re claiming infringement on a work that was released before they ever submitted their patent? How is that allowed? Are you telling me a company can wait until another company releases a similar product, then apply for a patent for something they used, then claim infringement? I knew patents were fucked, but I didn’t realize they were that fucked.

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How is that allowed?

Well it’s not, you aren’t supposed to be able to get a patent for something that already exists. But you know, corruption

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It’s not. In fact you know how this kind of patent gets invalidated, by pointing out what’s know as prior art. Things that did “this” before that patent was filed. So Palworlds and any other game that involves capturing a creature. This “killer patent” won’t stand up in Court unless the Japanese Court is entirely different than the US and German Courts.

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The request for an expedited review of patent number 7545191 also facilitated the approval of three other patents from Nintendo and The Pokemon Company (7528390, 7493117 and 7505854). Kurihara noted that amending an existing patent for specific litigation purposes is an established industry practice, and possibly what happened in this particular case.

This does not make sense to me.

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Not in tbe US it’s not.

An existing implementation would be prior art and make it EXTREMELY easy to get the patent invalidated.

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yea that sounds nasty

just don’t patent anything, other companies build a product around an unpatented idea, then you patent it and sue them? now their entire product is ruined??

this makes no sense, that would mean the optimal play is to not patent anything until someone else starts doing it

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Nintendo’s stagnated and has become a patent troll

as someone that used to be a fan I’m sad as it’s hard to be hyped for any of their games when they’re widely known for pulling these kinds of scummy tactics time and time again

indies be dammed, it’s too much of a risk to make Nintendo-inspired games let alone direct fan-games

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43 points

Nintendo has always been an underhanded bully. This isn’t new.

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Ya their patent crap precedes year 2000

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And is just an extension to their licensing nonsense and publishing deals thst came beforex

Anyone surprised by any of this doesn’t care about Nintendo’s behaviour, just the impact the current move is having on their current fun.

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It’s a shame you can’t support nintendo’s developers while excluding their legal department. Oh well, the high seas mean I still get to enjoy what I want to

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6 points

People can’t even make a mod that requires the base game to work.

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57 points

Rooting for Palworld devs, I can think of several examples of prior art.

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Patents don’t protect art

Edit: ok, apparently “prior art” might be a phase in US patent law. I don’t quite understand what it means. In my country patents protect functions, not expressions of ideas (art)

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My understanding of a patent (in the US) is that it’s only for new, novel concepts, often difficult to design or conceive.

Prior art, in this context, are just examples of this concept already in use or demonstrated. If there are already examples of the idea in use by others, then your idea isn’t new (and therefore not patentable).

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7 points

That’s not what “art” means in this context.

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Worth reading the article, but for the TL:drs and comment readers:

  • A patent attorney has narrowed down the list of potential candidates that could be central to Nintendo’s lawsuit against Palworld developer Pocketpair to 28 patents.
  • Out of those, one particular intellectual property describing creature-capture mechanics was labeled as a “killer patent” that would be difficult not to infringe when making a game with monster-taming elements.
  • The said property is part of a recently approved patent family consisting of three more patents, all of which were approved mere weeks before Nintendo and The Pokemon Company sued Pocketpair.
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If this is really Nintendo’s strategy, they’re going to be hosed, even in Japanese courts. Pokemon isn’t even the first game with these mechanics, Dragon Quest (a Square Enix property) and Shin Megami Tensei (an Atlas property) had the mechanic and came out before Pokemon, plus the original Pokemon released over 20 yeares ago.

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10 points

Don’t we tame and capture Yoshi? Heh

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By throwing an item at it? Patents are very specific

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If they only were awarded the patents recently, could they even still be used to site patent infringement on a game that was made and released well before Nintendo/Pokemon Co. got the patent(s)? I could have sworn these were NOT retroactive…

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10 points

The riding mounts system seems like the funnier patent

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I just filed a patent for white rice so now all you rice eaters owe me $20

I don’t care if that isn’t how IP law works, should a thought about that before eating all that rice ya dingus

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19 points

Patent the Japanese government and then proceed to overthrow it in a lawsuit.

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I’m gonna patent the doohickey and sue the guy who shot Shinzo Abe

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