"But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump’s usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.”
“In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.”
I’ve yet to hear a good criticism of Biden that isn’t also true of Trump. Yet the media rarely writes a headline like “Trump should drop out/resign/kill himself”
Because he obviously won’t. He will pursue your freedoms, wealth and sanity until his dying breath.
This is not fair description of his debate performance. He didn’t stutter, he crashed like an old computer trying to keep 50 chrome tabs running and then barely dragged himself out of it with incoherent nonsense like “we beat Medicare.”
It doesn’t disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump.
It doesn’t disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump
This is the real takeaway. We’ve reached a point where we’re not even sure either one can stay awake during important meetings.
See? Shoulda went with Bernie Sanders. He may be just as old, but he’s too angry to rest. He sees the injustices of the world, and he’s been barking about them since the 60s. Getting arrested for his causes.
I’m not saying Biden isn’t sincere, but Sanders is so sincere that he’s passionately angry at the system. The only thing that disqualifies him in my eyes is his age…but fuck, if these are our only other two options, it’s not much of a disqualification, is it? Biden gets confused halfway through his thought process that he moves over to another thought process midsentence. And Trump doesn’t even start the sentence with a coherent thought process.
So…uhhhh…guess we’re all just fucked?
He’s old, it was his bedtime and instead we asked him to go to a debate. He did just fine, and there was nothing incoherent about it. Even trump was coherent, he just lied and kept saying how everything he did and was involved in was the greatest thing to ever be done ever, which made him look psycho (which he is)
I only watched 30 minutes of the debate, but what I saw was not as bad as that. He got a couple zingers off, had some good points, rattled off some stats, seemed annoyed at Trump lying over and over and did stutter, and looked like he had a headache.
I’ll bet you that if he was on his A game, everyone would have been yelling performance enhancement drugs!
So yeah, calling for him to resign because he struggled to deal with a bunch of shitty js websites, full of ads, and several mining crypto in the background, while leaking memory… Seems like caving into republican talking points way too easily…
He has even said he is slowing down and can’t debate as well as used to. This doesn’t technically disqualify him, but it should be a huge red flag that he isn’t and wasn’t the best candidate. That’s the real problem.
oh, no disagreement here-- but it’s either Biden or Cheeto Mussolini.
i’m glad you’re not choosing that latter!
Unfortunately the question isn’t whether to fire him, but if he can win an election appearing as a sickly confused old man.
He spit in the face of an energized lefty base, so he is gambling the future of the country on low information Pennsylvanian voters in a popularity contest.
If you can’t stay on topic in a stressful situation then yeah, there might be a fucking problem. A Stutter is fine. Switching topics completely is not a stutter.
you mean when he kept responding to Trump’s tirade of lies? THAT was all over the place, so it makes sense that Biden would have to cover a lot of ground.
Trumps a better speaker but he’s been eating Mickey D’s for the last 65 years, an age difference of 3 years is not a huge advantage.
he may hove spoken more clearly, but - by no means - is he a better speaker. he spent the entire debate incoherently spewing his unhinged conspiracy theories and lie after lie.
Exactly! If you say that Biden should drop out for the good of the country, a bunch of people nod their heads, but if you say trump should, everyone just laughs.
I’m for sure on team “Not Trump, and not a Republican.” I think the debate really may have weakened Biden’s chances, but I can’t think of anyone who I’m confident could do better in the election. And I really mean “in the election” - there are certainly some who I think could do better as president, but they either don’t have the name recognition or wouldn’t pull in the moderates.
I’d love to see a true progressive, but there are an awful lot of people who simply won’t vote for one. So I’m sticking with Biden and hoping for the best.
It’s because dropping out is 100% not in Trump’s character. He’s in the race for himself, everyone - even his supporters - knows that, and asking him to drop out is like asking a zebra to try all-black.
Biden, OTOH, is a public servant and presents himself as trying to do the best things possible for the country. He ran in 2020 to ‘save us from Trump,’ and he’s running again with that premise. You can disagree with Biden on what is best for the country, and maybe convince him that someone else might be better able to beat Trump in 2024. I’m not really all that engaged, so I have no idea who the next-best Democrat would be, but Biden stepping aside is at least within the realm of conceivable possibilities.
I completely agree, which was more or less my point.
I can’t think of a Democrat who has a better chance from this juncture, sadly.
I’d love to see a true progressive, but there are an awful lot of people who simply won’t vote for one. So I’m sticking with Biden and hoping for the best.
There’s an awful lot of people who also simply won’t vote for someone in Biden’s physical condition. Don’t even need to replace him with someone progressive. Most of his voters are “blue no matter who” people who wouldn’t care if he was replaced.
I think the numbers of those two groups are significantly different. There are a number of moderate Republicans who will vote for Biden but wouldn’t vote for someone like Sanders or AOC.
you mean the media owned by billionaires who stand to profit again under another trump presidency like they did last time?
I hate it when people fantasizes with the death of that asshole.
Because 1) if he dies, he will be immediately elevated to god status. Not good. Case in point: Venezuela.
And 2) I want that asshole to spend his days in prison, even if it’s house arrest.
Idc if he ascends to God status, because he’s already there to his ilk. If he wasn’t alive, he wouldn’t be able to do anything else bad, and I wouldn’t have to here his stupid voice anymore. He might be a martyr, but he’d be the best kind of martyr. A dead one.
…he will be immediately elevated to god status…
The lying, adulterous, treasonous, traitor is well-beyond there…
I’ve yet to hear a good criticism of Biden that isn’t also true of Trump.
Example?
Has Biden tried to overturn the government?
Edit: I see it now. Disregard the above.
I think you’re taking it the wrong way. I understand it as “anything negative about Biden, is also true about Trump”
- Biden is old, so is Trump
- Biden struggles speaking cohesively, so does Trump
- etc.
That is a valid criticism of Trump that is not true for biden. What op said was that any valid criticism of biden would also be true for trump, not the other way around. So trump has all the bad stuff that biden has plus the whole traitor, convicted criminal, narcissistic cult leader thing
Because he obviously won’t.
Exactly.
No one is talking about trump doing the selfless thing, because it’s not going to happen.
But Biden is supposed to be better than trump.
And unlike trump, Biden isn’t facing prison if he doesn’t personally win. He’s just trying to stop trump, but so are lots of other people. So shouldn’t we let the person with the best chances go?
Like, if you had a game winning free throw, and any player can take it, are you putting Shaq up there or Michael Jordan?
Like, Rudy is a great movie, and America loves to root for the underdog. But you don’t put him in on the last play of the Super Bowl.
You put your best players in. And Biden and his team in the DNC are obviously not our best people. They can step aside now, or after they lose and let trump back in the White House.
Trump attacks the military. He denigratesthe Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.
Trump is an unserious carnival barker running for the most serious job in the world. During his last term, Trump served himself and not the American people.
These are the kinds of articles we need from our media, and also needed sooner. Much sooner.
To understand this scathing rebuttal, you should know about the original NYTimes article, where their editorial board wrote:
To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race
This is a wonderfully penned counterpunch. Shout out to my local paper for serving it up
It’s cute. But this is, of course, a given. And we don’t expect Hitler to do the right thing. We expect Biden to.
We expect biden to.
No we don’t. Some of us believe there’s a shadow of a prayer he might be pushed into it by Democrat party leaders and his own advisors, but even the politicos calling for his withdrawal have been clear that they expect him to lurch his way to an electoral disaster.
He isn’t interested in serving anyone but himself.
Either putin has footage of him killing someone or he is getting paid. Either way its just more self serving crimes.
I think it’s probably more simple than that. Trump is jealous that Putin has his own country and he doesn’t. In Trump’s mind he’s the best so he also needs to own an entire country just so he can outdo Putin.
He’s probably working with putin to achieve this goal, and the details we can speculate about, but the motivation is likely that petty.
No, it’s worse than that, but not in the way you think. Him killing someone wouldn’t matter to his followers, they would love him even more for being an alpha man or some crap like that.
Putin likely has footage of Trump with a large, black woman in a BDSM situation of him crying and whimpering. That would make his voters shy away from him, shattering his tough guy image.
To serve his country…
When has he ever done anything to even hint that he serves anything but himself?
