Elon Musk would still own an enormous portion of Tesla, so if you want Elon to be punished you should never forgive Tesla for enabling Musk
Meh. The only possible reason to keep accumulating after a billion is for respect and power. I’m pretty sure Elon has fucked up both to the point where most of his money gets him nothing. I’m pretty sure he is headed to a “death of despair” type ending before long.
I feel so bad for him
Don’t despair Muskquito, people make new friends all the time, even entirely unlikable video game cheaters. There is a nonzero chance you might not die entirely alone. Don’t let the haters following logical trajectories get you down!
As of February 28, 2025, Elon Musk owns approximately 12.8% of Tesla.
12.8% is not an enormous portion. It’s shocking how easily people spread misinformation.
He owns over 410 million shares and is the largest single shareholder. That is an enormous amount
It’s under 13% so while he’s the largest single owner, he still doesn’t own an enormous amount. He could easily be bought out.
There was a day, not too long ago, where I’d seriously considered buying a Tesla. And I nearly did.
As of today, I for one will never buy a single Tesla product - not a car, not a truck, not a battery, not a robot, whatever - for as long as I live.
And no decision from Tesla leadership will change my mind at this point. Fuck them.
Even if that makes me a crazy old man 30-40 years from now when all this is in the past. Never means never.
I’m right there with you. I was actually considering the model 3 for a while. Even put a deposit down. Then Elon started showing his true colors around when the cybertruck was announced and it just felt wrong to keep supporting him.
I would have 100% bought a Tesla. I just bought a Hyundai Ioniq 6 instead.
There aren’t many EV sedans under $60k.
Maybe I’ll consider a Tesla in another ten years if Elon has divested his stock.
Naw if Bernie nationalizes the corpse of the company holding their IP, would be happy to buy two
Would this include a total revamp of everything in the cars?
Teslas product are inherently consumer hostile.
They are bad build quality,. The user interface is made to cut costs not good UX. You need a subscription for things already in the car. Autopilot shuts off just before accidents to not make Tesla liable for the incident.
The list just goes on.
Everything about that company screams “fuck you” at the people buying their product.
I love my Tesla and have zero issues with it. Sure I think Elon’s a moron but I won’t let that fact stop me from enjoying an awesome car.
They are the best EV out there, despite all the shit you hear about from people who’ve never driven or owned one.
They are the best EV out there, despite all the shit you hear about from people who’ve never driven or owned one.
Oh. You can disregard the opinions of people who haven’t driven or owned a car? How many other EVs have you driven to know Tesla is the best then?
By your own logic I dismiss your obvious Swasticar fanboyism.
There are many people on social media that review EV cars so I don’t have to own every single one to know what’s the best one to buy.
That’s such a stupid take it just makes me laugh.
They are the best EV out there
First of all, there are a ton of EVs right now, with a new one coming out every day. While Teslas are generally solid EVs, it’s not so obvious thay they are the best. Have you seen the new Chinese ones? Have you tried them?
Second, this means little even if accurate. For the time being, EVs have little purpose due to the technology (mostly batteries) being incredibly underdeveloped for use in vehicles. So “the best EV” is still, overall, terrible.
Their main advantage is supposedly that they are environment-friendly. Well, that is mostly (still not fully) true only if you never swap out the battery. Which in a few years makes the car barely usable. Due to the way lithium-ion batteries work, their condition degrades rapidly when you charge them quickly, or only half-way, or leave them charging overnight. It’s the same as in a smartphone. Just look at people’s iPhone’s battery conditions after one year of use. Except in an EV, battery life directly translates to range.
A Tesla Model S has a marketed range of 373 miles. At 100%, brand new battery condition. Regular use can bring the condition down to as little as 80% over a period of one year. That depletes the car’s range to approximately 300 miles. And the condition will continue to drop. To keep the condition high, you’d need to charge the battery relatively slowly (24-48 hours of charging) and from a very low charge to a mostly full charge. Precisely the same way you keep your phone’s battery condition high. This is simply unrealistic in the context of EVs.
This leaves us with the inevitable replacement of batteries, which alone generate more CO2 emissions to produce than entire combustion engine cars, including driving them for a year on average. Does this still sound environmentally friendly to anyone?
As it stands, the technology just isn’t there for us to be able to make good, environment-friendly EVs. And I’m ignoring all of their other issues here. To include everything, you’d have to write a novel. I don’t mean to hate on EVs too much, but to me personally it looks like currently they just make very little, if any, sense. Maybe in a few years? Chinese companies are successfully developing new types of batteries, but they’re not sharing them with western companies.
We’ll see what the future brings. In any event, don’t stop boycotting Tesla even if the CEO changes. Musk still has a shitload of Tesla stock, so the company’s financial state is closely linked to his.
Having driven many different Evs now, and through work dealt with Tesla’s for years, I really do not agree with your best EV out there claim. The only model in the lineup I can’t comment on is the cybertuck, as that fucking thing can’t pass my countries safety requirements, lol
So… Why would anyone from them ever listen to you? If you’re complete lost cause to them, why would they cater to your requests?
Hard boycotts and grudges are accounted for. What you’ve done is pushed the line the other way because now there’s one less person to sway them to fix their shit, since there’s no monitary gain in you.
They obviously don’t care what Tesla does beyond now, but this type of reaction is a message to other similar businesses, especially one with a market of generally progressive people. One part is sticking to your own ethics and morals and not supporting a company that supports fascism, and the other part is making it known that other companies that do the same are going to suffer the consequences.
I’ll do it. Here’s my CV. As you can see, compared to the current CEO it’s vastly better:
- can beat a tutorial boss. In fact, has beaten many final bosses
- has never done a nazi salute
- is loved by partner and child
To top it off, I’ll do it for the low low price of 200k/year
LOL was just shitting on him having no friends, damn this guy literally goes to bed fucking knowing nobody likes him
Anybody else I’d hope their self-defense mechanisms (“Biden’s the reason people hate me” “I’m huge in Japan somewhere” “no friends but that caviar was great today”) would kick in, but sorry no sympathies extended to those who sent their “heart” out to us
Still means fuck all as long as he holds his Tesla shares. All you’re doing is making him more money by making the shares go up again.
Drive the stock into the forking ground.
The American consumer is a fucking idiot, this has a high chance of success as people forget about Elon and go back to buying them.
I mean, in fairness, do we have any qualms with the rest of the company? Elon was directly responsible for pretty much all of the cyber truck decisions. But the regular Tesla’s, aside from Elon prohibiting lidar and making false claims about self driving, are pretty decent. Without him, lidar might get implemented, the cyber truck will probably be scrapped, and real engineers will have their voices heard again.
Isn’t that kind of what we want from a company? To realize their errors and remove the cancerous parts?
He will still have a shitload of shares. I don’t need to get into the nitty-gritty detail of whether I hate the company or its products; his stock in it is what allowed him to buy the election for Trump, so fuck Tesla.
But did Tesla facilitate that or was Tesla worn like a puppet by an investor(Elon). There’s a distinct difference and what I’m asking. Do we blame every company that gets gutted by Venture Capitalists? Do they have no path to redemption?
Tesla was garbage before Elon came out as a Nazi. The quality control is non existent and has been.
Yes, and that’s another reason the company is failing, and I won’t buy a car from them. But, that’s not the point here, the point is Musk’s stupid antics are having major consequences for him. The only value he’s had for the company for years is as a mascot. The company succeeded so far as it has in spite of Musk, not because of him. Same for SpaceX.
They’re overvalued in the triple multiples compared to other American car companies because they’re a meme stock and halfway ran on government subsidies we paid for rather than putting it into education or social causes.
A step in the right direction isn’t good enough when there’s miles to tread.
A step in the right direction isn’t good enough when there’s miles to tread.
So all or nothing? Then you’ll get nothing.
Calling a company, which actively vendor-locks pretty much the whole car using their propiatery software while having the worst warranty ever, pretty decent is beyond me.
Especially a company belonging to the car lobby.
I think you’re probably giving a potential new CEO too much credit. You really think that Elon will just relinquish control over his company and let the CEO do whatever? Not a chance.
I understand completely why you’d want Elon to fail, but why would you want Tesla to fali?
Because they’re not magically taking away his stock shares. If Tesla succeeds so does Musk, no matter what position he holds. Nothing changes when oligarchs who will happily take food out of children’s mouths to enrich themselves and send US citizen children with Cancer away never suffer any consequences.
And that’s BEFORE we talk about the fact that Tesla cars suck ass now compared to similar segments from competitors. They’re a net negative in the industry and in their influence on humanity. EVs are going to continue to take up more market share worldwide without them.
Endless government subsidies inflating the stock astronomically above any other normal car company, as paid for with American tax dollars.
As a company, horrible QC and manufacturing standards compared to even the worst of their peers, and the insistance on self-driving tech that doesn’t even need to exist for their vehicles to function.
Tesla is a shitcoin turned into a company.
