yes but everyone who wanted to smoke in the 80s and everyone who wants to smoke today does- but there are only less smokers and less smoke inside nowadays because it was legislated.

change can only come through attempting change

i love LD. I dont care if I’m a victim of branding. it’s made me drink more water and use less plastic doing so.

yes but what you said in reaction to “when sites try to archive information and incredibly rich copyright holders with infinite money and lawyers sue them to the detriment of human wellbeing in order to earn a pittance more to add to their infinite dragon hoard and that’s bad” is “you’re a whiny bitch.”

perhaps it would’ve been worth considering adding your thoughts on the nuances of how laws bind vs protect people in the original comment?

ahhhh my feelings

Professional marketer here, all of the unsub rates in this thread look nominal (0.1-0.2%).

Also, when we run third party distribution campaigns, a large amount of people, I can look at their hotjar journey and watch in real time their mouse movements as they download a whitepaper, then we call them and they say they never downloaded it.

It’s a mix of lying to the annoying marketing company (I get it), and just plain forgetting you did it.

I switched from Hearthstone Deck Tracker to Firestone Deck Tracker yesterday, I’m not entirely sure if I checked to see I wasn’t signing up for marketing emails, it’s that easy.

Not to mention, I can buy just about any non-EU email address i want on demand.

yes. Some of the data is anonymized but there are ways around it (i.e. someone downloaded something at 2am and they were the only user, I can work out it’s you from the time stamps)

But I can watch your mouse move around the screen as if I was filming you with my phone (obviously only your mouse pointer, I can’t see your other windows or into your bedroom etc)

edit: you were asking something slightly different, yes I absolutely can see if you clicked on my email.

For some big important people, I can even get a push notification to my phone if you visit my webpage.

thats funny but if you gave me a real name and a fake email, it gets run through data normalization and I’d likely get your real email.

If you just give me the company name, fake name and email, it’s possible that if you met our qualification procedure, we’d just dig out the best looking person at the company (head of department, procurement manager, vice president?) and start contacting them based on “institutional buying intent.”

I mean I’m emailing you twice a week at your work email address for 6 weeks about a product to help you with reducing costs on a certain business function, and making sure you see ads for my company when you would see ads for a different company, and someone pays me money to do it.

I dont touch any personal emails, so I don’t really consider it immoral to email you about your job at your job.

You are giving me explicit consent, though, as payment for downloading a whitepaper. Your options are to opt out at point of sign up, or at any point after that, or, of course, not download the paper

Or if you’ve been prospected, I have to maintain a reason for emailing you in the CRM, and I’d invite you to consider the ramifications of “businesses can’t contact other businesses.” What if you need your windows cleaned? Or your fleet vehicles need to have their tires checked? Or you need a new warehouse to expand your business?

You personally in your every day role may not want that, but businesses, in general, do.

I am emailing you about your job if you are in charge of expensive ($10MM+) software applications and are interested in downsizing your compute and storage costs. Are you those things? If you are a CDAO of a billion dollar company, you probably would like to consider the product I work for.

I dont know what you mean by “the way i’m talking about it” I’m just describing the function to someone who was unfamiliar with the technology.

Yes, if you deliberately block a piece of software it doesn’t work. I was using “I can see your” to mean “I can see any given person’s” with the caveat of that person not deliberately blocking it, I figured that was taken as read.

There’s more to building out this kind of functionality, including dynamic IDs on clickable elements, A/B testing colors, CTA text, dynamic personalization, client mini-sites, first- and last- click attribution, full funnel attribution, lead scoring and so on…

None of it is crazy if you know how to do it, same with fixing a car, building a cabinet, coding an app or cooking a meal.

However, it’s interesting to me that you scorn how obvious this technology is and easy to use, and then close that most people don’t know about email pixels, cookies (or cookieless server side tracking), and lead scoring. But to call it “scammy” like I’m doing something that literally every business does, including mom and pop stores and amateur dramatic societies, is a little unfair.

Don’t shoot the messenger, I’m just talking about what happens in general terms.