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Why do people faint at the sight of plain-text code?(lemmy.world)

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flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz
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All programming languages claim to be for humans. Doesn’t make them good at it.

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Amon@lemmy.worldOP
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Nobody said all humans

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metaStatic@kbin.earth
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Hey babe, wanna kill all humans?

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idunnololz@lemmy.world
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Im sorry but which humans were whitespace and brainfuck made for.

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edinbruh@feddit.it
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For esolang nerds. They enjoy the existence of the language, not its usage

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Valmond@lemmy.world
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Or Java?

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jdeath@lemm.ee
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obviously the sadistic ones! those PLs certainly weren’t made for the computer’s benefit

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Amon@lemmy.worldOP
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Masochists

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BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk
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No-one said they had to be easily read for humans.

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jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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Shiggles@sh.itjust.works
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Making something to make humans suffer is still making it for humans

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jdeath@lemm.ee
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💯

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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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If anything, that only proves the point even harder.

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verstra@programming.dev
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Wtf. Go look at the examples. W. T. F.

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lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
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i don’t think brainfuck or ook are actually meant for humans. more like against humans

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Deestan@lemmy.world
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They are very much aimed at humans.

Crafted to hurt humans, but still.

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Shapillon@lemmy.world
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imho they’re still made for humans. But the goal is to discuss them rather than code with them n_n

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Skepticpunk@lemmy.world
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Or Malbolge.

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A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world
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…there are languages that aren’t written in plaintext???

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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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I only code in emoji

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Nicht BurningTurtle@feddit.org
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Is this you?

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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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I take it back

I’m sorry

I’m so, so sorry

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dev_null@lemmy.ml
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Natanael@slrpnk.net
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I was going to post the whitespace programming language but this wins

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anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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I heard there was a programming language where you programmed a tree, that you could only manipulate manipulate in a “IDE” that looked a bit like Microsoft Word and saved the “source code” as a binary file.

Found the infos: https://youtu.be/vcFBwt1nu2Ut=479

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pooberbee (they/she)@lemmy.ml
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Off the top of my head, Microsoft Excel, Max/MSP, and Piet

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Blackmist@feddit.uk
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I’ve recently had to help the wife with some VRChat “Udon” language.

I mean I get it, all the stuff is like the underlying shit in a parser I wrote years ago to speed up execution. And looking up the name for that, it’s an abstract syntax tree.

It’s just I don’t know why you would try to write stuff in it directly. All the tutorials have this mass of on screen spaghetti for “if a=45 then b.visible=false”.

It’s like everyone gets this idea that coding is hard and a bunch of text, and then they spit it out on screen so no none of us can understand it at first glance.

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Amon@lemmy.worldOP
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“No-code”, scratch, etc

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Arthur Besse@lemmy.ml
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i don’t usually cross-post my comments but I think this one from a cross-post of this meme in programmerhumor is worth sharing here:

The statement in this meme is false. There are many programming languages which can be written by humans but which are intended primarily to be generated by other programs (such as compilers for higher-level languages).

The distinction can sometimes be missed even by people who are successfully writing code in these languages; this comment from Jeffrey Friedl (author of the book Mastering Regular Expressions) stuck with me:

I’ve written full-fledged applications in PostScript – it can be done – but it’s important to remember that PostScript has been designed for machine-generated scripts. A human does not normally code in PostScript directly, but rather, they write a program in another language that produces PostScript to do what they want. (I realized this after having written said applications :-)) —Jeffrey

(there is a lot of fascinating history in that thread on his blog…)

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wer2@lemm.ee
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PostScript was my first thought to. I guess these days WASM also applies.

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