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This is highly contested and no credible evidence has been produced for these claims. Israeli propagandists have been hard at work conjuring up lies wholesale and it’s shameful to repeat them without verification.

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So this piece doesn’t source any evidence that it was used and ignores the literal fact that later investigations by Amnesty didn’t find credible evidence of use as a military base and the massive Israeli misinformation campaign on that front: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital#:~:text=During the Israel–Hamas war,Hamas and hospital administrators denied.

But yeah let’s justify Israel bombing away access to medical care to people forced into a small, war torn area because fuck Palestinians I guess.

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Al Shifa was home to Hamas torture chambers for a decade at least.

Your link gave one example a decade ago.

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You linked something from a decade ago of something being claimed once, and claimed the link showed it’s been happening for a decade continuously.

I thought you were just confused so I didn’t ban you

If you knew what you were doing, then that was my mistake.

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What makes you think they’re still doing it? IDF/Netanyahu saying it without any credible evidence?

Also, what kind of logic justifies attacking a hospital which definitely has victims of Israel’s own relentless attack, on the off chance that the hospital might have terrorists?

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I don’t think Ukraine is known for hiding military assets in things like hospitals.

You can keep trying to make them the same but they aren’t.

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Neither is Hamas, nobody believes you anymore.

israel, on the other hand, did plant rifles behind MRI machines, and laptops with plugs that aren’t even used in Gaza.

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You may be correct, but the loss of civilian life in Gaza is truly horrific.

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they’re not correct; amnesty proved that nothing was hidden in that hospital and that both americans and isrealis were lying about it to their respective populaces.

reminds me of weapons on mass destruction in iraq; they use congress, tv, radio, etc. to spread the lies and then nothing happens when it’s proven that they were lying to us.

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The difference being the IDF lying about why they destroyed a hospital and Russia lying about whether they were the ones who destroyed a hospital?

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First, that article is paywalled and the subheading just says that US intelligence confirms a suspicion. US intelligence also said Iraq had WMDs so they aren’t that reliable.

The IDF entering the hospital is a different thing from the complete distruction of the hospital and all of the other hospitals they have destroyed in Gaza. Or all of the other infrastructure they have destroyed, always claiming it was used by Hamas.

The IDF has also lied multiple times about not killing the journalists they have killed. Or the aid convoys they attacked directly despite the IDF knowing they would be trainsporting aid.

They are lying liars and claiming anything is ‘used by Hamas’ should be immediately suspect.

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Sure are

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Yeah they’re different. Israel killed many times more civilians in a fraction of the time.

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The numbers are iffy, but yes, it’s about 4x as many civilians killed in Gaza as Ukraine:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Casualties

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hamas_war

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I am tired of these comparisions. The Ukraine war has a clear good and a clear bad side. The same cannot be said about the Israel/Palastine war. Both parties are equally shitty. There is just one side much more powerful so more capable to commit cruelties. The only clear good people here are the civillians suffering on both sides.

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Palestine is far more black and white than Ukraine. I’d recommend you read up on it.

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Nothing about middle east conflicts is close to black and white. I’d recommend you read up on it.

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Imagine saying a literal Nazi style Genocide is not black and white.

Are you going to say Hitler actually had a point next?

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Nothing about middle east conflicts

Spoken like a true racist, grouping up “middle east conflicts” as if it was a single entity.

Pretty easy actually, Palestinians were there living their lives and having a sense of nationality as Palestinians since the latter years of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists decided they didn’t care about that, decided they deserved their ancestral homeland, and western countries helped them militarily to relocate hundreds of thousands of people and murder tens of thousands on top. It’s almost quite literally that easy.

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Okay, so Russia Invaded Ukraine. Russia is the Aggressor.

The Hamas attacked Israel, so Israel exterminates Palestine and claims it wants to exterminate the Hamas. The Hamas have committed Warcrimes and hides the self behind Civilians and the IDF does a whole lot of warcrimes too. Both sides are shirt, just the IDF has done a bit more shit than the Hamas. Theres no good side in this conflict. Both sides want to exterminate each other and sacrifice the Palestinian civilians for this.

I don’t know where you see a more black and white scheme in the middle east conflict than in the Ukraine war, but I’m willing to read your explanation.

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You appear to forget 75 years of israel invading Palestine. And putting Palestinians in a concentration camp.

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Care to explain it if it’s so simple? You have no idea what your talking about…

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Simple:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

The whole “so difficult conflict which goes so far back that it’s impossible to know who’s guilty at this point”, starts in the late 40s with the invasion of Palestinian land by Zionist settlers, and the violent displacement of 750.000+ locals.

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far more black and white? What in the ever living fuck are you talking about?

Ukraine was literally legally guaranteed that russia wouldn’t invade them, after taking their nuclear weapons. Russia LITERALLY broke this agreement. How much more black and white can you get than quite literally going against what you’ve said?

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I know you’re getting down voted to hell but I agree. People are losing sight of just how shitty Hamas is. This is exactly what they wanted, they care even less about their own peoples lives, happy to use them as human shields. A hundred thousand martyrs. Fucking embarrassing to be human sometimes.

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No one is losing sight of that, they’re correctly making the point that there is no justification for bombing a hospital full of patients and that the justification the IDF gave has been found to be false.

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The Ukraine war has a clear good and a clear bad side. The same cannot be said about the Israel/Palastine war.

It’s funny, because I’ve seen so many white nationalists assert the exact opposite.

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white nationalists assert

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Seems like both articles should be horrified about a bombed hospital but maybe that’s just me.

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i would argue both articles should probably just be talking about how hospitals were bombed, rather than writing an entire diatribe on the emotional states of everyone involved.

But that’s just me, i like my reporting neutral.

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Sure but one article is a breaking news type of article and one is about a bad thing that has already happened and now they are merely entering the hospital.

I dont know the specific of either event but is it possible that more people died in the Ukrainian hospital?

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is it possible that more people died in the Ukrainian hospital?

No, it’s not. Al-Jazeera reports 2 deaths in the Ukrainian hospital, The Guardian reports 4. IDF reports 200 Palestinian casualties in Al-Shifa, Palestinian authorities report 400+.

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It’s the opposite. Israel/Palestine war has a clear evil side (Israel) and a clear victim (Palestine). Ukraine war is a complicated mess.

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So the victims are the ones who openly call for the death of an entire group of people? Their founding Charter literally calls for the elimination of Jews… and after they slaughtered the women and children in October they said they’ll do it again. They’re the victim to you? Interesting.

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That is a wild and backwards take!

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A hospital full of civilians being bombed is bad regardless of the context. There’s no point in media outlets spinning shit like this. They’re just acting as propagandists for Israel by throwing softballs like this.

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Last I heard, Ukrainians weren’t holding up in those hospitals and using them as launch sites for their bombs…

Once you turn a hospital into a launch site, it’s no longer afforded the same protection. Might be wise to avoid doing that in the grand scheme of things.

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Last I heard, Ukrainians weren’t holding up in those hospitals and using them as launch sites for their bombs…

RT says they were and the only people who might dispute it are terrorists (also according to Russia).

Besides, who am I supposed to believe? An IDF endorsed stenographer or my Hamas-affiliated eyes?

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When you’re unwilling to believe your own eyes with the videos and pictures that have been shared that are clearly GPS and time stamped showing what was found and where then there’s nothing that’s going to convince you of reality over your embedded ignorance.

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A lot of this boils down to who you trust for your news. Very easy to get a wide spectrum of videos as “proof” of an equivalent spectrum of beliefs and views.

Very easy to find war crimes in the middle of a war, and a little selective editing can go a long way towards defining “good guys” versus “bad guys”.

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Last I heard

Yeah you’re gonna need to back that claim up. Russian propaganda doesn’t count.

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It’s wild that some people refuse to believe the pictures and videos of their own eyes. It’s undeniable but it weapons caches have been found in various hospitals including al-shifa. It’s undeniable that power feeding the underground tunnels was coming from a un facility.

You can deny reality all you want, but that doesn’t negate the facts.

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The weapons found at al-shifa were small arms permissible under the Geneva convention, as often they are difficult to dispose of them at a moment’s notice when treating people who were injured while carrying a firearm. There were not extensive weapons caches at the hospital, nor is there any evidence that the arms that were there were being used for any Hamas operations.

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An overwhelming majority of news outlets, as well as humanitarian orgs like Amnesty International, and even the WHO, have come out and said they have seen no evidence that al-Shifa hospital was used for any military operations by Hamas. Even the IDF itself has barely tried to justify it. Israel bombed this hospital, killed civilians including newborns children, and so far have provided no reason to believe that it was even strategically beneficial for anything other than the continued mass deaths of innocent Palestinians.

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That red heifer ain’t gonna sacrifice itself.

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