86 points

Why not display the original from the Torah? In the original Hebrew language?

Or at least display all three versions as written in the Protestant Bible.

Seems kind of silly though; it would make much more sense for Christians to display Deuteronomy 6:4-15, since that’s what Jesus stated was the greatest commandment.

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Well, sure, if they weren’t misrepresenting their motives. The real motive is indoctrination and the incorporation of a specific flavor of Christianity into all aspects of USAian society, transforming it into a theocracy. They’re not particularly subtle about this. :)

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The part they haven’t appeared to think through is what subset of subset of Christianity are they going for. They could talk to the people in Salem, MA. about that, but they won’t.

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22 points

And they would never display quotes from sermon on the mound because its too woke.

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7 points

“blessed are the cheese makers?” “it’s not meant to be taken literally my dear, it refers to any manufacturer of dairy products…”

In a 2-hour quote fest, that is my favorite. The particularly arrogant tone of the response while being completely incorrect about one of humanity’s noble attempts at what a better world looks like just kills.

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These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.

Now, this one, I’d like to see.

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10 points

Some religious Jewish people do actually wear parts of their scriptures, at least part of the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tefillin

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3 points

Supposedly you get accosted at Israeli airports with guys trying to tie them on you if you’re a secular Jew.

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52 points

Now let’s watch the Supreme Court interpret the constitution to further permit the integration of church & state.

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13 points

That’s exactly what these obviously unconstitutional laws are really about. An opportunity to get a case before SCOTUS so they can reverse decades/centuries of precedent.

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52 points

They need to argue that those aren’t the ten commandments anyway. There is only one passage in the Bible where a group of ten laws are called that and it isn’t the one people usually think of, it’s much weirder. The chapter is Exodus 34:

1 The LORD said to Moses, “Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain.”

4 So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. 5 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the LORD. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.”

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped. 9 “O Lord, if I have found favor in your eyes,” he said, “then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance.”

10 Then the LORD said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 “Do not make cast idols.

18 “Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons. “No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 “Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year. [b] 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign LORD, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the LORD your God.

25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Feast remain until morning.

26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God.

“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

27 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

So that’s what should be on school walls. Don’t use yeast in a blood sacrifice, don’t make metal idols and that goat thing.

(I have no idea why the weird goat part is on its own line, but it is.)

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11 points

Why does this sound like a Monty Python skit?

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11 points

“Do not make cast idols.

All this time they just needed 3d printers or CNC machines to make idols.

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2 points

I think the current recipe for idols is reality TV and orange paint

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Or they could carve them, like they did before metal casting was invented.

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10 points

Listen, I’ve got a yeast allergy thing okay…

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9 points

Maybe Jehovah self diagnosed a gluten allergy and blamed it on the yeast by mistake.

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I dunno…I kinda want to cook a young goat in it’s mother’s milk now. I bet it tastes great.

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Serve it with a side of jelly beans (raw)

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I feel like that argument is pretty well covered:

The plaintiffs say that the law pushes a denomination of Christianity that applies to only one segment of Louisiana residents — one which “is principally associated with Protestant beliefs and denominations.” The scripture required by the state “differ[s] in meaningful ways from those used by other denominations and faiths that recognize the Ten Commandments as part of their theology, including Catholicism and Judaism.”

“The Act requires this Protestant version of the Ten Commandments to be displayed,” the filing adds, after noting that for many religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, and “other non-western faiths,” the Ten Commandments “have no place at all.”

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Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices

These days we think of sacrifices as things like human sacrifice. But, I would bet that at the time the sacrifices were often more like a day of the dead “Ofrenda”.

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Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

There it is folks, that’s the official name of the Abrahamic god.

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He sounds like such an insecure deranged dickwad

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27 points

This is the thing we found out way back in the 1500s and 1600s. The various teams don’t play nice with each other. The only reason they are accepting of one another at the moment is common enemy. The second that State religion is permitted, South Baptist and Catholics are going to be kicking each other’s teeth in.

There’s a shit ton of money to be had in the church. No one is going to let some other team take it willingly. They will absolutely eat each other and in the process wreck collateral damage unlike anything anyone has seen since the 17th century. That’s not guessing, that’s like a for sure outcome. We’ve got a little under 20 centuries worth of history that tells us what the outcome is every time.

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23 points

Wait, wasn’t one of the main points of Europeans immigrating to America was for freedom of religion?

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Yes… but no.

It wasn’t just freedom to express their religion, it was also the freedom to form governments where they could be in power, and thus impose their religious beliefs on others.

The British colonies were basically religious fundamentalist zones. For example: Maryland – land of Mary. Was intended to be a Catholic colony. Massachusetts was meant as a Puritan colony, and they strictly enforced that. A woman named Mary Dyer was hanged in Boston for the crime of being a Quaker.

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According to Wikipedia: It is named after Henrietta Maria, the French-born queen of England, Scotland, and Ireland during the 17th century.

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Interestingly though, Henrietta Maria was named after her parents (Henry IV and Marie de Médicis / Maria de’ Medici), and it’s likely her mother’s name came from their Catholic faith.

So Maryland was named after Henrietta Maria who was named after Marie de Médicis who was named after the biblical Mary. (Unless she was named after another Mary)

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I think it’s named after Queen Mary, not jesus’ mary

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Fair enough, but Mary is a pretty Catholic name. Even when someone’s named after a relative (in this case her mom was a Mary), the chain generally goes back to the main Mary (who was actually Miryam).

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Yeah all the horrible religious people who became outcasts thought they should bring their nightmare beliefs to a new land.

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Exactly. My forefathers left the Netherlands because the government was trying to tell them how to worship God. Now many of their descendants are trying to tell people how to worship God.

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