Summary

Donald Trump plans to discuss potentially ending childhood vaccination programs with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his nominee for Health and Human Services.

Trump expressed openness to revisiting vaccine policies, citing concerns about autism rates, despite scientific consensus debunking links between vaccines and autism.

Critics warn reducing vaccinations could lead to outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles.

Kennedy, known for questioning vaccine safety, would oversee the CDC if confirmed.

Public health experts remain concerned about the implications.

175 points

Anybody with half a brain can see the collapse of the U.S. coming from a mile away based on what’s happening right now. Our institutions are at an all-time low in trust, all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.

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We elected TFG… twice. Humanity is doomed

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20 points

What’s this “we?” I take zero responsibility for the election of that idiot. I tried as hard as I could to get everyone I know to not vote for him.

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27 points

Eh. It’s “we” whether you like it or not, unfortunately.

Do we really differentiate between the good and bad Germans in Nazi Germany? Not really. History paints with broad strokes. In the future we’re all going to look like the bad guys, whether we fought back or not. It’s a shameful time to be an American.

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14 points

TFG

That Fucking Goon?

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“The Former Guy”, refers to Trump.

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82 points

all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.

I mean yeah. But also because Americans are profoundly stupid. No excuses. As a whole, we’re stupid as fuck.

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15 points

Politicians do not benefit from an educated populace.

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Decades of republicans cutting education and lying will do that.

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2 points

You mean that?

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63 points

Our schools have been under attack by the usual shitheads ever since we won to get them integrated.

Smart comfortable people don’t obey. Uneducated, poor people with two jobs and three kids don’t have any energy left over to crack a book and be disruptive.

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4 points

So you’re saying we should blame the rich and oligarchs. Agreed.

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And I swear you guys are going to take us down with you (as a Canadian). The Trump “jokes” about annexing Canada are really starting to get to me.

So much for being good trading partners and friendly neighbours I guess

Edit: this isn’t really directed at you in particular, it’s just that as Canadians we didn’t even get a say in this but somehow you voted overwhelmingly for him again and now he’s threatening to invade us before he even takes office. I’m fucking tired man (and a little drunk)

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We did not vote overwhelmingly for him. He barely won.

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Fair, but he did win the popular vote which I really wasn’t expecting. I realise very little US Lemmy users are happy about it either, but the Canada rhetoric Trump is spouting is still freaking me out.

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Tell me about it. I can feel the rumblings of something awful coming for Canada. All because if this bullshit down south. Our rights are being threatened because of reactionary politics. Half the people I work with can’t seperate Canadian politics from American. They think it’s all the same.

Drives me up the wall.

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i swear if he really tries to annex us i would be defending our borders. But do you know what bothers me more? the Canadians who would defect and help the US annex us.

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I agree with everything you said except that all the blame lies with Trump and Russian/Chinese disinfo campaigns. This has been going on since the Tea Party George W Bush/Cheney Newt Gingrich Reagan probably before anybody reading this was born

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11 points

Well at least all the historians will get to see what the collapse of the Roman Empire was like in realtime.

Was cool while it lasted.

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92 points

Okay, idiot republicunts. You happy now? Not only are eggs going to be MORE expensive because of bullshit tariffs, but your kids are going to die from measles and shit. Way to go, cunts.

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33 points

Not their kids, they can afford the vaccines at list price. It’s the poors who will die, as Supply Side Jesus intended.

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Doesn’t matter if enough people aren’t vaxed for herd immunity

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How does that help them? It’s a vaccine. If just you have yours, it doesn’t work very well. It still helps some and objectively improves things so it’s still a good idea, but it’s not like having it when everybody does their job.

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You are thinking like someone who gives a damn about other humans. Yes, everyone benefits when everyone who is able to gets the shot and we can keep the overall spread down.

But what if you are the type of person who thinks that everything is a zero-sum game, and you’re not really a winner unless you have more than the other guy? What advantage is there to you, personally, if everyone benefits? It’s much better if you get the benefits, and people you hate do not.

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Who exactly do you think voted for Trump? lmao

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All those hillbilly fuckbrains who voted for trump? All those suburban moms who voted for a rapist? Nah bruv, those people can’t afford a $1200 vaccine or whatever the fuck. The traitor oligarchs can, sure. Perhaps they will meet their fate via a different route, nahmean?

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As long as the liberals kids die too they’re fine with it.

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I feel bad saying this, but part of me wonders if this is what they need. A real wake up call, a real understanding a real view of how bad a country can get if you throwaway the guardrails in place that was there to keep the very government in check and allow them to outright eat the poor to supplement the rich.

I just hope it doesn’t destroy the country before they realise what’s taken from them.

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5 points

These are not people who will learn from experience. They’ll just look for more scapegoats.

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a real understanding a real view of how bad a country can get

How many people died from Covid from refusing to wear masks and refusing to get vaxed during Trump? Then Trump claimed credit for getting the vaccine made.

Yet here we are.

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:(

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8 points

I have a deep yearning for this to happen. But logically I find it far more likely that they’ll just blame anything going wrong on Biden and Obama initiatives.

With the Supreme Court in play, They might just start locking up people for criticizing the government. It’ll be fake news soup to nuts

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45 points

They won’t know about it until it personally affects them, then they’ll play the victim card.

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8 points

No, then it will simply be democrats fault, or immigrants

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11 points

As is tradition!

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Not to worry, they will probably come up with a near total ban on abortions and birth control, and then there’ll be that many more children, so that enough of them can survive to become wage slaves for the billionaire class.

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To be fair, the price of eggs will likely be more affected by bird flu which will spread uncontrollably, since Trump will abolish all common sense regulations.

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But what about the price of pre sliced cheese?

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Yes it must be the vaccines that are causing autism rates! Ignore the studies and decades of evidence that show they don’t, because they definitely do!

It’s not all the micro plastic pollution, or car pollution, or chemicals in our water, or hormones in our food, no it’s definitely the vaccines!

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Even if there was anything real about the claim that vaccinations increased autism rates, using that as a justification to stop vaccinations would still be a crazy stance. Autism is not a deadly disease, but many of the things we vaccinate against are.

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Or people could have been autistic all along, and just not diagnosed?

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I came here to say this. We’re just getting a lot better at recognizing it earlier to try to jump on getting the kiddos into therapy to limit the impact on their life as adults.

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My dad was born in the 30s, and was just as autistic as me. His mother (born 1910) died when I was little, but I remember her being eccentric, and my mother called her “difficult”. They both lived perfectly normal lives, they were just very different from the others around them. I’m autistic and so is my nephew; that’s four generations, spanning a century.

We have always been here.

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autism is genetic.

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It, like ADHD, has a strong genetic component, but it’s not a 1:1 correlation.

Epigenetics likely play a massive role also. Which might be the genetic correlation we’re seeing. Epigenetic influences have been shown to last multiple generations from the original trigger (specifically with the effects of trauma).

In the case of autism and ADHD, the epigenetic triggers are likely environmental, such as microplastics, over usage of antibiotics, and various toxic chemicals we’re exposed to daily.

My own personal theory is that the current rates of autism and ADHD might be affected (but not solely caused by) the use of lead in gasoline 50+ years ago. Lead exposure has lifelong implications and absolutely affects embryos as they’re developing. But that’s just a personal theory.

Edit: Holy hell! This popped up on my Google News Feed only hours after making this comment.

https://scitechdaily.com/born-before-1996-according-to-scientists-leaded-gas-may-have-permanently-altered-your-personality/

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From what I learn from being alive, if people are required or forced to do something, they probably aren’t. Much like volunteering, most people don’t volunteer, heck, jury duty is required yet people don’t want to do it. Imagine if voting was required by law, how this would change things.

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I’m not sure i understand what you’re getting at. By that logic, if voting was required, wouldn’t people vote even less?

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