Italy is a car infested country. I would love to know impressions of fellow users from other countries that visit Italy: do you see this?
We rank in the low part for public transport and rails (except high-speed trains). Which is not surprsing
Moreover, automotive industry is sinking in Italy, so there is not even the justification of helping “economy”, for pushing on cars so much.
Finally, there are many more cars than car licenses in Italy. Which, IMHO, is completely absurd
Cross-posted from: https://mastodon.uno/@rivoluzioneurbanamobilita/113632796547131119
I think the only problem with this graph is that it’s per 1000, which can skew a couple of results.
Sure if your population is high it’s fine, but if it’s say 5 million people total, like Finland, then it’ll be off
I don’t understand why the unit car/1000 people would be a problem.
How is Finland off here?
Because it’s basically a non-standardized percentage.
Something like per-capita would be more accurate, since that factors in each individual there is in the population.
The other issues are: how often the cars are used / are they in use, how much public transportation exists, and percentage of the population using public transportation vs private vehicle. Italy for example was one of the earliest automaker countries, so it’s likely a significant amount of people there have legacy vehicles that aren’t allowed in public roads - essentially museum pieces. Legacy vehicles can make a country look like it’s doing worse in public transportation than it actually is as well.
That’s why the best measurement for progress in this would be percentage use of public transportation / non-automobile use, maybe in combination with population living in rural zones as well (so that more rural countries don’t look worse than they are).
Interesting that the Netherlands (Paesi Bassi) is so high. Like a solid 10% higher than Sweden, and in Sweden we have shit bike lanes. We haven’t invested in our public transportation since the 80s, only having a few capacity expansion projects for our overloaded commuter rail.
Any reason why the Netherlands (a.k.a. Holland, a.k.a. Olanda in Italian) isn’t on the list? It would be interesting to know how they compare.
Hello lemmy, in Italy there are lots of car enthusiasts who own old cars and mostly don’t drive them. Don’t think that it is only a rich thing. Most of the boomers tend to keep the old cars of their parents and drive them from time to time only to keep them functional. Also lots of hunters don’t go driving in cities with off road vehicles just to show off. They have a small car for city, a small 4x4 for hunting and a small three wheels pick up (l’Ape Piaggio) for hauling cargos. Also fuck euro 7, let the polluting companies pay the price not us! BTW I’m a bike enthusiast in Italy who commutes everyday in bike and I would love to have bike lanes in Italy but in most old steep and narrow street is impossible. We just have to make bike lanes in parks and fuck those pedestrians! Get some wheels! The only problem now is to find small cars: nowadays I tend to see even more emotional pickups like the ford ranger and they are ruining city streets and country roads. Fatevi un ape, tanto la nerchia rimane sempre uguale
This data, especially the second graph, is surprising and needs explanation. The trend in transport mode in major cities, i.e. where most people live, is clearly away from cars in recent years.
Correction: I misunderstood, this is ownership not modal share. Sorry.
This is car ownership, not car use. While there is some correlation (if you have a car you’re more likely to use it) I think it reflects purchasing power rather than preferred transportation choice.
So car share is increasing in italian cities too, as you can see in the following plot. Reality is that when there is no alternative, people will use cars. This is visibile for example by the facr that Milan is the city with best publc transit, while cities inbthe south are pretty bad
