Italy is a car infested country. I would love to know impressions of fellow users from other countries that visit Italy: do you see this?

We rank in the low part for public transport and rails (except high-speed trains). Which is not surprsing

Moreover, automotive industry is sinking in Italy, so there is not even the justification of helping “economy”, for pushing on cars so much.

Finally, there are many more cars than car licenses in Italy. Which, IMHO, is completely absurd

Cross-posted from: https://mastodon.uno/@rivoluzioneurbanamobilita/113632796547131119

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Latvia is in last place 🥳

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This data, especially the second graph, is surprising and needs explanation. The trend in transport mode in major cities, i.e. where most people live, is clearly away from cars in recent years.

Correction: I misunderstood, this is ownership not modal share. Sorry.

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So car share is increasing in italian cities too, as you can see in the following plot. Reality is that when there is no alternative, people will use cars. This is visibile for example by the facr that Milan is the city with best publc transit, while cities inbthe south are pretty bad

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Very surprising and pretty shameful for Italy.

In Paris, car use has been dropping continuously for decades. In recent years the trend has even accelerated. In Copenhagen: forget transit, well over a third of all trips are by bicycle.

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This is car ownership, not car use. While there is some correlation (if you have a car you’re more likely to use it) I think it reflects purchasing power rather than preferred transportation choice.

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That explains it! My bad.

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It’d be interesting to see it by weight of those cars. My impression is that Italy has a lot of really small cars, while we here in Sweden have a lot of the US-style Emotional Support Vehicles

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Was just watching a live stream of Piazza Venezia (in Rome) and there was bumper to bumper traffic made up of mostly “regular sized cars”.

But it was such a joy to see Vespas, e-scooters, and bikes filter though that mess like it was nothing!

Traffic is only a car problem.

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Could also be a capital thing, which is why I’m curious. Cycling some of our streets here in Stockholm is definitely like, “oh, you had the idea to fit that thing in here” at all the drivers.

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Interesting that the Netherlands (Paesi Bassi) is so high. Like a solid 10% higher than Sweden, and in Sweden we have shit bike lanes. We haven’t invested in our public transportation since the 80s, only having a few capacity expansion projects for our overloaded commuter rail.

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My guess: cultural proximity to Germany, whose national identity is based on engineering and in particular the internal combustion engine.

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It is also about how expensive cars are. If it is relatilvy cheap, you might well consider buying a second one, have a car basically not used and so forth.

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As a visitor to milano, i had a really great time getting around on foot and metro. Also took rail to the alps and high speed train to torino. Italy is way less carbrained than north america

Also, a lot more scooters, motorcycles, and really tiny cars. So the roads feel safer compared to north america

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If you tried to get out of Milan city proper your opinion of the transports wouldn’t be as good.

Regional transport is not as well integrated specially outside of major cities.

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going to lecco, varenna, torino doesn’t count as getting out of milan city proper?

i know the system isn’t perfect, and plenty of locals complained about transit… but coming from a north american perspective italy has so much more transit options than we have here (both regionally and within the city)

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Referring mostly for commuters. Regional trains are very busy and generally not well maintained.

Trenord the private operator doesn’t do a good job. Trains are frequently late, packed and dirty

If you go outside the Rush hour it might be okay but at Rush hour it’s a different story.

Of course if you compare to a City that has no or very limited transport options there’s no comparison.

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