171 points

Don’t forget with the Recall feature, you may be on Linux and are using a secure communication application, but if who you are talking to is on windows your conversation can be scraped.

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Same thing with email. It’s all well and good if you’re using ProtonMail or Tuta or Posteo, but you’re still cooked if the other side is using Gmail.

Old problems, new modi operandi.

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Afaik, with proton you can send messages that won’t open through gmail if you protect them with a password. The other person receives a message with a link to open the mail in a browser after entering the password. It’s not the easiest solution but if you want to avoid gmail from knowing the contents of a message, you can do that.

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But windows recall scrapes your screen, so even that wouldn’t work.

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1 point

True

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4 points

You can send self destructing messages with Protonmail

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Do Proton remotely erase the message on the recipient’s email server? Even if it’s not a protonmail server?

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Good morning, Mr. Phelps.

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It’s not like companies that use Linux don’t get breached either. Your personal data is in thousands of databases that have varying levels of security. Personal choices don’t affect any of that, regulations like GDPR are what’s needed.

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GDPR has much the same problem: it can only actually be enforced against entities with a presence in Europe. When Europeans do international business, the GDPR only protects them if that foreign site has a business presence within Europe. When they have no bank accounts or business assets inside the EU, they are not subject to the GDPR.

Even though the GDPR covers your side, it doesn’t always cover the other side.

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That’s why I said “regulations like the GDPR”. The US and other blocs need similar regulations. Especially the US is important, as they’ve shown that they’re willing to stretch the size of their jurisdiction to sometimes absurd lengths.

That’s usually a bad thing, but in this case that might be good.

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4 points

getting breached is different from using spyware.

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this goes for pretty much every single chat app out there. most of the popular ones are proprietary and go through private servers.

privacy is important kids.

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So it’s not enough to brag about being on Linux ourselves, we should be encouraging our friends to switch to Linux as well?

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How’s this different from someone just record your call? The thing you are worrying about has been possible long before Recall is a thing.

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But does your medical clinic do?

No, they don’t, and it pisses me off. Every time I see it, I think, Well, there goes my medical privacy.

But where else can I go? There’s only one health company in town, and they bought all the doctor’s offices.

Who can I complain to? The doctors and nurses are visibly frustrated with Windows every time I see them use it. If they can’t change it, how could I?

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That ship has sailed anyway. I’ve had no less than 5 breach notifications show up in the mail from things related to my health care in the last 2 years, and it’s not like I’m constantly at the doctor. The whole system is a disaster.

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They might not know there are alternatives. So they likely do not ccomplain to their IT person.

Dont be a “jUsT uSe LiNuX” guy, but when you see them frustrated maybe say “hey I see you are frustrated as well and I as a patient are concerned about my medical data privacy. You know there are better and safer alternatives, maybe you could ask your IT if it would be possible to switch to Linux?”

Realistically, they can’t switch because the software to use some $€1m medical device only runs on windows.

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I’ve had the se thought as expressed in the last paragraph the other day and isn’t the anwser in compatibility layer? Like can’t they install and run windows medical software using WINE?

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Having worked in healthcare IT. Adding more complexity will only make things harder for them. A lot of healthcare staff can barely operate the Windows PCs and applications they’re used to. Change anything and they act like the sky is falling.

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That opens up a legal liability for the people creating the compatibility layer. You’ve gone from two points of failure (the doctor and the machine) to three.

For sure it can be done but most people / companies won’t want to take on that liability.

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I sell encryption. Send me the lead dog ;p

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I work in IT for healthcare, and our CTO, CIO, and head of Cybersecurity are all ex-Microsoft. We’re a “Windows Shop” adopting anything Microsoft has ever made, from Windows to Azure DevOps to Access

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61 points

i use linux and don’t have family or friends or get any kind of medical care ☺️ checkmate

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Using Linux in America be like

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The failures of the United States healthcare system are compatible with the Unix philosophy due to its emphasis on doing one thing poorly and leaving the rest for the user to figure out. Like Unix tools, each component—insurance, billing, and treatment—functions independently, refusing to communicate effectively while relying on the user to “pipe” themselves between endless calls, paperwork, and escalating bills. Debugging your health, much like debugging code, requires advanced knowledge, infinite patience, and a willingness to accept that nothing will ever be fully resolved.

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So that’s why they named it Wine.

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This very succinctly explains why I, with AuDHD, find it practically impossible to get anything done as I slowly rot from untreated chronic illnesses.

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6 points

Most sociable Linux user.

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9 points

human relationships are antithetical to the unix philosophy

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And most servers do too.

God save ASP and .NET applications

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59 points

privacy is scary stuff if you think. it’s like, i care so i dont share my phone number with facebook, but someone out there may have my number/address/name on their contact list and chances are big that they have no problem sharing with zuck. so i’ll still end up on zuck’s database.

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I just activated my checking account with PayPal and one of the questions from the verification battery was asking me which email I recognized. They were different domains of my mother’s ISP email that she uses only with Amazon.

I had the urge to answer incorrectly as if that would remove their association.

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My dad did that. The man has a slight obsession with collecting information about our entire extended family, as far back as he can go in time. He’s been known to get in touch with small municipalities to ask for their records about someone 8 generations back. He’s collated quite a bit of data over the years.

And then one day he went and loaded all of that into a shitty mobile family tree app. Phone numbers, current addresses, email addresses, photos, a shit ton of personal information of a shit ton of people, uploaded to some random developer’s unknown database without their consent. He didn’t even pause to think about it for one second. I told him what he did, he wasn’t even bothered.

There are tons of people like my dad who don’t have a single cell in their entire bodies that gives a flying fuck about data privacy, unfortunately, and they give out everyone’s data along with their own.

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Demand it from who? With what power or leverage?

Not to be defeatist, but I’m just a guy. Nobody’s gonna listen to my demands. I’m surprised privacy notifications say anything other than “You don’t have any” with two buttons that both say “OK”. All I can do is selfhost as much as possible and decline to use tons of applications or services that underpin modern societal functions or social activities. So I do. But it sucks ass and I don’t have any power to change any of it.

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Where I am, unlike climate change, the privacy issue is not discussed properly so just explaining it to people that trust you can boost any future systemic action.

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Legislature. GDPR was a good step.

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Yes well my government is about to be run by a bunch of techno-nazi’s so that’s a non starter.

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No, but the point they’re trying to make is, I think, that the more you complain, the more other people complain and the more other people start complaining and unless we have enough complainers and people switching, nothing is gonna change.

Our power is imperceptible but not non-existent

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Wow that last line is exactly what I needed to hear, thank you

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