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Well they’ll try. Unfortunately for oil and coal companies, China exists.

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But per capita, China is pumping way less greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than the USA. And much of China’s industry only exists to sell cheap goods to Western countries.

China also built more high-speed rail in a decade than the US has in it’s entirety. Not to mention how fast they’re producing electric cars and solar panels.

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That’s what I mean, oil and coal companies can try regression, but China is already able to export the means for countries and communities to create their own power cheaper than those groups could buy power from fossil fuels companies.

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That’s what tarrifs are for.

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Chinese policy doesn’t give a shit about climate change. In fact, Xi is banking on a Northern passageway to Europe permanently unthawing to avoid the partly US-controlled South China Sea.

Xi cares about staying in power until he drops in the 2030s, for that he neess to keep the country stable and the people quiet. So what he really wants is industrial power and rising welfare. He’s found that one of the best ways to gain an edge that is to spur useful innovation that wealthier nations will want to adopt.

What this means is that we’ll see a lot of climate-friendly technology coming out of China, but the country may not care much about cleaning up its footprint.

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Even if you are right I’ll take doing the right thing for the wrong reasons over the fucking disappointment and self destruction coming from the United States.

Doesn’t matter how you spin it, China is objectively better for the world right now.

You can feel morally superior all the way to societal collapse

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China is objectively better for the world right now.

lol

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You’re right in that the whole drill-baby-drill thing is utter self-destruction which may still work passably over the course of the next four years but not beyond. The IRA right now is solid industrial policy and I wish us Europeans were competing. (Wild guess though, the repeal of the IRA will go much like the repeal of the ACA last time around.)

However, my point is that China is in a phase where it’s doing more with more, and its motivation is such that that will stay that way. The only reason Chinese emissions are stagnating right now is that their economy is faltering. At this point, the Jevons paradox is simply eating their renewable power/electric car/… gains. Granted, that is preferable to them continuing to buy ever more fossil-fueled cars.

The motivation for producing this technology will, to a degree, determine the outcome: Solar panels off Temu, delivered to your doorstep using a fossil-fueled plane are a thing that exists.

What happens when the importing blocs (US and EU) rethink their climate policy (because right-wing morons think that’s a good idea)? Chinese products will adapt quickly.

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Tbh, doesn’t feel good pinning hopes on China, but I’ll take what I can get at this point.

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Unfortunately, climate action is a collective effort globally. With him being in the pocket of Big Oil, expect no further investment into renewables and increased coal mining, fracking, and oil drilling.

Anyone who cared about climate and voted for him (or abstained/voted third party) basically fucked themselves and everybody else.

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Anyone who cared about climate and voted for him

i think that intersection is very small.

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Which is why I also included abstainers. Not large groups on their own, but enough to swing an election

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As well as changes to the EPA, NOAA, etc. Talking about climate change might become dangerous. Asking for help from FEMA may weigh heavily on how your state voted.

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That’s nice, but Americans and American companies can’t afford non renewable energy. Trump needs to triple subsidies over the next 4 years to keep them competitive with renewable energy.

Just a reminder, Trump is not more corrupt or well bribed than Texas, and Texas is one of the largest producers of renewable energy in the Western hemisphere. Money wins over ideology, and there’s a lot more money to be had with solar and wind given the now low upfront costs and nearly non-existent maintenance costs compared to all fossil fuels.

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I hope you’re right. I don’t really see that in practice, as we slow walk that transition.

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Counterpoint, Alberta exists and low costs benefit the consumer, not the company. I am fully confident that the profit made by oil and gas is significantly more than the tight profit margins in renewables, which means far less money to throw at politicians. Oil and gas can therefore throw much more money at Trump and still be in the black on their ‘investment’, even if you ignore that Trump has deep ideological and political opposition to renewables.

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As if Harris would have done something for the climate

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She has done something for the climate in the past and unlike Trump actually understands that climate change is real.

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I guess the world burning was worth sticking it to Kamala for Gaza.

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I guess Gaza being 100% fucked was worth losing the presidency for Democrats.

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may a better species rise from the ashes of our civilization

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The way I see it, it’s not too late to organize another Jan. 6th. If I had the means and ability to make it over and help with a Democrat version, I would no questions asked. Anything for the sake of preventing that fascist from re-entering the oval office. I’m at the point where I’m all for Dems going violently radical against the fascists.

If one does get organized, I’d be willing to chip in a small amount of money out of my financial aid in order to aid the right side of history.

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Biden had the power/justification to put Trump in military jail since 2021. He doesn’t seem interested.

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The planet will win. I can assure you of that.

It was here long before us and it will be long after we are gone.

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Exactly, the one who loses is humanity, not the planet.

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In the same way it won after the 5 previous mass extinction events I guess (we started the 6th).

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