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Even if you are right I’ll take doing the right thing for the wrong reasons over the fucking disappointment and self destruction coming from the United States.

Doesn’t matter how you spin it, China is objectively better for the world right now.

You can feel morally superior all the way to societal collapse

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Tbh, doesn’t feel good pinning hopes on China, but I’ll take what I can get at this point.

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You’re right in that the whole drill-baby-drill thing is utter self-destruction which may still work passably over the course of the next four years but not beyond. The IRA right now is solid industrial policy and I wish us Europeans were competing. (Wild guess though, the repeal of the IRA will go much like the repeal of the ACA last time around.)

However, my point is that China is in a phase where it’s doing more with more, and its motivation is such that that will stay that way. The only reason Chinese emissions are stagnating right now is that their economy is faltering. At this point, the Jevons paradox is simply eating their renewable power/electric car/… gains. Granted, that is preferable to them continuing to buy ever more fossil-fueled cars.

The motivation for producing this technology will, to a degree, determine the outcome: Solar panels off Temu, delivered to your doorstep using a fossil-fueled plane are a thing that exists.

What happens when the importing blocs (US and EU) rethink their climate policy (because right-wing morons think that’s a good idea)? Chinese products will adapt quickly.

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China is objectively better for the world right now.

lol

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ok educate me. On the topic of climate in which ways has (or will) the United States be better? I’d appreciate the optimistic perspective.

Does the argument extend beyond China bad?

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When the people in China can go outside in public without wearing filtration masks I’ll consider start taking their environmental approaches more seriously.

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ok educate me

here, educate yourself: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20696000-the-hundred-year-marathon

Does the argument extend beyond China bad?

when your argument is “china good”, then “china bad” absolutely is valid rebuttal.

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