Comment by 14th_cylon@lemm.ee on Trump Wins, Planet Loses | With control of the White House and the Senate, Republicans are poised to upend US climate policy.

China is objectively better for the world right now.

lol

ok educate me. On the topic of climate in which ways has (or will) the United States be better? I’d appreciate the optimistic perspective.

Does the argument extend beyond China bad?

When the people in China can go outside in public without wearing filtration masks I’ll consider start taking their environmental approaches more seriously.

What you’re bringing up, even if true, would be explained equally well by population density.

China’s per capita emissions are lower than the US and Canada https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/

They’re also innovating and leading in solar technology and cheap EVs.

You’re pointing at subjective and anecdotal “evidence” where are your hard stats?

What century are you from? The localized pollution problems you’re referring to have been resolved. I know you won’t trust any source anyone here provides, so go ahead and look it up. Just because you got used to your government being useless and slow, doesn’t mean other governments are the same.

ok educate me

here, educate yourself: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20696000-the-hundred-year-marathon

Does the argument extend beyond China bad?

when your argument is “china good”, then “china bad” absolutely is valid rebuttal.

China’s per capita carbon emissions are lower than the United States and Canada https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/

oh, cool. manipulation by carefully selecting statistisc that will support my theory 😂

first, there is a lot more to “being good/better for the world” than co2 emissions per capita.

with that out of hand, lets look at few others, shall we?

https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china

How is it appropriate to make comparisons between nations without normalizing for the population?

Frankly, accusing me of manipulation makes me no longer care what you have to say. You can fuck off.

How is it appropriate to make comparisons between nations without normalizing for the population?

when you have big part of country that is rural and don’t participate in generating the emissions and profiting from them, then including them in the total count to artificially decrease final per capita number is just manipulation.

but my point here was you carefully selected one graph and presented it without context to support incorrect conclusion. but you know that, right?

Frankly, accusing me of manipulation makes me no longer care what you have to say. You can fuck off.

so you have no rebuttal to graphs i showed you, so you are suddenly not talking to me. that’s understandable, whatever exit strategy works for you, clown…

Do you have any real sources, like scientific sources, anything written by someone not intending to get paid massive amounts for their work?

well hello there, chinese intelligence officer.

we in the western civilization are usually getting paid for our work and don’t consider that as discreditation of said work. also, the author of the book, is, among others, researcher at Harvard, so he is the literal scientist.

Michael Pillsbury is the director of the Center on Chinese Strategy at the Hudson Institute and has served in presidential administrations from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama. Educated at Stanford and Columbia Universities, he is a former analyst at the RAND Corporation and research fellow at Harvard and has served in senior positions in the Defense Department and on the staff of four U.S. Senate committees. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the International Institute for Strategic Studies. He lives in Washington, D.C.

How did treating all dissent as Russian/Chinese bots/trolls work out this election? Not very well. Because they mostly don’t exist.

Buddy is a Western Patriot fighting the good fight. Go get em tiger, your emotional zeal is steadfast in the face of data and logic. America is truly amazing and the best at climate. You caught a vuvuzelan spy working for Xi.

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