Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.
If Ukraine were to suddenly surrender to Russia, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.
During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Ukraine’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.
“Ukraine is gone. It’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.
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Donnie has concepts of a plan.
Trumps plan to “solve russias war against ukraine” is to “give up”.
Is this the man you want leading your country?
Imagine FDR “solving ww2” by surrendering to japan and the nazis
This was his strategy in Afghanistan too!
Arguably that was always going to end with a Taliban takeover, but we could’ve done that without giving them a leg up.
If only we’d continued our brutal occupation of Afghanistan another 20 years, maybe the regime would’ve lasted another two weeks after we left.
Y’all are completely hopeless, enjoy your forever wars.
Are people like this just incapable of grasping nuance? I can only definitively speak for myself, but I’m pretty sure nobody here wants forever wars (maybe there are some dumb tankies that think they want it)
We all wanted out of Afghanistan, we just would prefer to have, you know, an actual plan.
But you know that already, don’t you? Or are you actually that ignorant?
No need to imagine when we have history to reference.
To his credit, Chamberlain wasn’t as bad as he’s made out. When he implemented his policy of appeasement, Britain was not actually capable of meaningfully resisting nazi Germany. He basically brought time to bring Britain back to a war footing. When it became obvious to the public that war was coming, he fell on his sword. This cleared the way for Churchill to take charge, without significant infighting. He also inherited Britain on a far better war footing, and even then it was a close thing.
Basically, Chamberlain knew his plan wouldn’t work long term. He took one “for king and country”, likely knowing how it would be perceived. I can at least respect him for that.
I’m not arguing it was or wasn’t right for Britain position at the time. Just making the point we know, from direct history, a policy of appeasement does nothing to stop further advancement.
Appeasement doesn’t work. Appeasement never works. It didn’t work with Hitler and it won’t work with Put-ler. This piece of shit is a useful idiot and I’m saddened that quite a few people today lap this shit up and see this as the best path forward. Ukraine may be scarred now but they can and will rebuild when they win this war. Slava Ukraini
Appeasement can work, just not in the obvious way. It’s like throwing steaks at a pack of hungry wolves. It won’t slow them for long, but it might give you enough time to find the shells, and load the shotgun.
What Trump is doing doesn’t even rise to the level of appeasement. He’s just begging like a whipped dog to his master.
To be clear, even if it was appeasement, it still would accomplish nothing since the US does not need to buy time to build up their military.
Ehhh, recruitment levels have been plummeting. I’m not saying we couldn’t absolutely kick Russia’s shit in with what we currently have, and take out half of Iran’s Navy again, while we are at it for shits and giggles. We could have some issues if WWIII were to happen, at least for a couple of months for the draft to catch up.
That’s a damn good analogy. Appease for long enough to grab a big stick. My original thought on Dementia Don saying just “give Putin what he wants” felt to me like a “if we do this now he won’t ask for more later and the war will stop” kinda thing. As I read it now I’m willing to bet you’re more correct. There is no nuance here. The orange cheeto is angling for praise from his master and dictators the world over. How fucking dumb
Appease for long enough to grab a big stick.
Neville Chamberlain got a bad rap from history for doing exactly this. He gave Hitler bits of what he wanted while making sure Britain had enough modern fighters (Hurricanes and Spitfires) to fend off the Luftwaffe when war inevitably did break out.
a useful idiot
Useful idiot has specific meaning. It is someone who is so dumb that you can convince him to betray his country for free and he does believe he is doing right thing.
I am pretty sure this piece of shit is getting paid.
Oh there’s definitely kompromat on him. He’s done terrible things to children on video I’m sure. He owes dark money to dangerous people.
I know a Ukrainan born US citizen with a significant amount of family still living in Ukraine who is also a Trump supporter. He hates Russia and wants Ukraine to maintain independence. I asked him a couple of weeks ago what he thought would happen to Ukraine if Trump was reelected and he said Ukraine would probably be left to fend for themselves. This statement did not come with remorse or condemnation, it was delivered in the same way you would describe the winner of a sporting event. A simple statement of fact.
I don’t know how to respond to that kind of thinking. If the understanding that your vote might lead to the death of your family members doesn’t break through the political polarization in this country and make you reconsider then I don’t think anything will.
I’m trans, and I’m not the only one in my family.
My Dad claims he votes Republican for tax purposes.
So to him the potential to possibly pay less taxes is more important than his own child’s safety and right to exist.
And that’s not even mentioning that there is like a 99.98% chance that nothing Trump does with respect to taxes will ever affect him (positively) in any way.
I was going to say that maybe the concept was too abstract for him, so the thought of losing family members to war didn’t even cross his mind. It could never happen to him, right?
But then again, Ukraine has been at war with Russia for some time now. Surely he knows people who have perished in the war?
Did he give you a reason why he supports Trump? Is it maybe a misogyny thing?
I’ve known this guy for a long time. He’s grown up in rural America so he has all the same reasons for supporting Trump as those people typically do with the added oddity of being more impacted by the negative outcomes of those policies. Guns, immigration, general economic stuff. At least those are the reasons they’ll state publicly.
It seems more like an in-group thing than anything else to me. I would have expected some sort of expression of disagreement with Trump on this particular issue but he says he thinks Democrats will do the same thing despite all evidence to the contrary. That is how he’s chosen to rationalize the situation.
OF COURSE HE DOES
