47 points
*

Did anyone actually watch the video? She’s upset that neither side represent what she deems acceptable.

She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day. Where we are is the result of influence from corporate stooges since Reagan. It’s come to a boiling point and I understand her frustration. A vote for Harris is a vote for steering the ship towards what she deems is acceptable, but that ship sails slower than a lot people can understand.

permalink
report
reply
-3 points

Kamala isn’t in the correct direction at all though. The democratic party serves to delay progress in favor of the Republican party. There’s a reason they lie so much and confuse and refuse to address issues progressive voters want to address. It’s not gonna get better unless people stop voting for the same “lesser evil” presented to them and pushed to them in the media.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points
*

It’s not going to get better under Trump either, and your ballot has more choices than President on it. I’m sure you volunteered for local progressive campaigns, right?

In the American elections you can definitely vote in.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

This is either some wild optimism or accelerationism.

Gay rights activists got started in the 1970’s and in the 80’s they got homosexuality taken off the list of mental disorders and in the 90’s it looked like Hawaii was going to legalize same sex marriage and then the conservatives took notice and passed the defense of marriage act and Bill Clinton signed it (yes, a Democrat) and then Iowa and Massachusetts courts legalized it at the state level in the 00’s and for 10 years we watched court cases and ballot measures go state by state and then in 2014 we got obergefell.

Republicans did not get us marriage equality, Democrats did. Republicans opposed it at every step. Even obergefel would not have happened if Clinton had not won and picked some SC justices. Clinton had a Republican house and Senate and he was more concerned with avoiding a government shutdown. Defense of marriage act was a Republican bill. Don’t ask don’t tell was a compromise with Republicans. Obama repealed don’t ask don’t tell after Dems took the white house and both houses of Congress.

It matters who is in charge, every year, every election. And the Republican hasn’t been the progressive option since teddy Roosevelt left the Republicans to form the bull moose party.

So acting like we need to punish the Democrats for not opposing netanyahu by electing Republicans is literally throwing Palestinians and poc and queer people and poor people under the bus for your own self rightiousness.

permalink
report
parent
reply
44 points

She’s not that young, she’s been doing music for a decade and working service jobs till now. And you can understand something and still feel it is unacceptable.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-6 points

You’re so young that you think doing something for a decade is a long time.

permalink
report
parent
reply
22 points

Doing anything for a decade is a long time. That’s 1/7th of an American’s life span and 1/8th of a developed humans life span.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

Doing something for a decade IS a long time, but that isn’t your point. She has plenty experience in singing and being a pop star. She is still young. 26 is young.

It doesn’t mean you should dismiss their opinion about everything, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. She seems to be fixated on perfect and missing the march toward good.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points
*

It’s what you do with your life, not how long you lived it, that matters when it comes to life experience. I’ve lived enough to draw a parallel to the following quote:

Men like this infantilize women, so women (they believe) will not have the confidence to leave them. They want to keep their wives, if not barefoot and pregnant, at least without the skills and confidence needed to have a career that could support them well. Similarly, at work, they define their secretary’s role as part mother, part wife, so they always will be taken care of. Finally, they are so dependent upon the regard of their male colleagues, bosses, and oftentimes even their subordinates, that they will violate their own sense of ethics rather than face the possibility of not being one of “the boys.”

  • Ursula K Le Guin
permalink
report
parent
reply
20 points
*

She’s 26. That’s fairly young for a voter. Not really sure what her cv has to do with being considered old.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

Service industry work can build wisdom.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

Yeah I get it. I was young once and I’ve even had to have the bitter realization that even Revolution neither happens in a day nor resolves anything quickly. I ask for the passion of the young to hold hands with the wisdom of us older folks. It’s easy to demand sudden change, and important too, but building bases of power are important.

Vote for Kamala then hold her feet to the fire. Vote in every primary. Discuss what you think with people around you when it comes up, I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work. Build the support and make those maga losers afraid to show their faces.

And entertainers can do so much. Cobain got people who wouldn’t otherwise thinking of homophobia as uncool for example

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points
*

I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work.

Ugh, train people are the worst. WE GET IT, YOU LIKE TRAINS.

Edit: I genuinely thought this was a typo and they meant “pro-trans.” But maybe they actually did mean “trains.”

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

If it makes it better I’m also annoying about other infrastructure. Dams are excellent

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

I’m not cis passing enough to be openly talking trans issues at work. Nah I talk public transit. Shit like replacing air travel with high speed rail.

permalink
report
parent
reply
20 points

I agree with the core of what you’re saying except I disagree that she “doesn’t understand” how slowly politics works. I think her decision to vote for Harris anyway speaks to that kind of understanding, else she’d endorse a third-party candidate/write-in in a poor attempt to speed-run democracy.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Are you significantly older than Chappell Roan? Because I’m imagining you’re the one who doesn’t understand something.

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points

She’s been getting a lot of hate for not endorsing Harris and people fail to realize the difference between endorsing and voting. Her entire point is that the government can’t be fixed in a day. Voting for Harris is the obvious choice but her being in office isn’t going to magically solve all our problems.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Except, by definition, she is endorsing Harris by publicly supporting her candidacy. Endorse doesn’t mean you agree with everything they stand for, but if you are publicly saying who you are voting for, that’s an endorsement.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points
*

A: this isn’t really an endorsement, more than it is an acknowledgement of how fucked the options are. If you’d like to know the difference, go look at what Swifts endorsement looked like

B: she wasn’t even going to say who she was voting for, but libs decided to harass her until she did

example: I use windows for work but i’m sure as fuck not going to recommend it to other people. Saying that i’m forced to use windows for work is not an endorsement. I’d go so far as to say that in this context it’s more of a complaint or indictment than a endorsement.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

The problem is she’s trying to bring nuance to a bumper sticker platform.

permalink
report
parent
reply
14 points

She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day.

I’m old and I’m still waiting for the government to be fixed.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

We keep breaking it by voting for Republicans every now and then.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

If Democrats ran every branch of the government at every level I still doubt it would get fixed.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Abortion was illegal for 70-120 years depending on the state. It was 50ish years from the progressive era and the beginning of birth control to the ruling of Roe. Overturning roe was a 50 year political project by the right.

Sometimes it takes a lifetime.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-17 points

Liberals: “There is no such thing as Blue MAGA.”

Also Liberals: “Why aren’t you pledging your undying loyalty to Harris without question just like me?” 😡

She had a very fair and reasonable take. Anyone should be skeptical and voting for Harris to Deny Trump is fine but that doesn’t mean there aren’t issues. People know the playbook by now material conditions and systematic issues won’t get addressed post election.

permalink
report
reply
13 points

Endorsing is not the same as undying loyalty. Seems obvious. But I guess it has to be stated clearly.

I think it’s perfectly fine to criticize anybody who says they’ll do everything in their power to support LGBTQ+, and then refuse to endorse Harris (even though she basically has).

permalink
report
parent
reply
-1 points

She said she is still voting for her. I wouldn’t endorse someone active in genocide and who doesn’t match my values as well. I think she was fair and told people to think for themselves. It is good to see a celeb that isn’t a yes man for once.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I completely respect Gaza making people reluctant voters. But don’t tell me you’re doing everything in your power for LGBTQ+ if you’re not going to support the only candidate who supports those rights. Just don’t even mention it if you’re going to contradict it.

Now, I only discovered who this person is this week (I heard one of her songs before all this stuff blew up). I don’t hate this person. My issues with her stance is about as minor as it can possibly be.

I’m just a passive observer who is watching half the country vote for a megalomaniac, a sliver of ill informed cynics vote for a Russian stooge, and a bunch of otherwise rational Americans pretend they don’t STRONGLY side with one party of another on 95% of issues.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

No, endorsing isn’t the same as voting. Being forced to choose between two shit things is different than being made to reccomend it to someone else

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

You’re just up and down this thread attacking things nobody said. I can’t tell if it’s intentional or not.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Issues don’t get fixed after election because voters go in thinking it’s a four year duty, not a continuous one. The uninformed voter name applies both during election time and between. Vote for the one that has the most potential to change (which means getting more progressive reps in Congress too) and then ride their ass their whole term if they aren’t making a difference you like, or if they do what you expect from them let them know they’re doing well. They are representatives by title, but they can’t represent who they don’t hear from.

So by many factors the above eliminates voting for Trump. This is a no-brainer vote, but the public has to put in some effort after they get people in office too. A big part of this problem is representation number in Congress, we ought to have a smaller rep/population ration than we do. But the other is a public that forgets to pay attention until it becomes a media headline.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

Like, she sounds like, so eloquently spoken and with like, well fucking thought out opinions, like fuuuuck! Im totally picking who she is sort of picking but not picking like wow. For real for real.

permalink
report
reply
0 points

How old are you to still be criticizing accents that are older than the vast majority of countries?

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Thats not an accent dude that’s just someone who cant string a sentence together without making meaningless interjections every several words. It’s the equivalent of saying uhhhh every uhhhh time you need to uhhhhh think because you uhhhhh didn’t figure out your uhhhhh thoughts before uhhhh spitting them out.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-8 points

That’s an accent. I’m sorry you hate a modified/updated valley girl accent but it’s been around a lot longer than you, and will be around long after your bloodline ends.

permalink
report
parent
reply
0 points

Uhh… One of the best orators… Uhmm Brack Obama, um, was famous for thee uh, way he talked. Uhm but is still considered. One of the best, um, if not the best spoken president, of this generation.

Some people just talk different. Get over it.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

No cap. Frr

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Go shake your fist at the kids in your lawn grandpa.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

WHO IS THIS PERSON

permalink
report
reply
22 points

One of the biggest pop stars currently. Here she is setting the record for largest crowd of all time at Lollapalooza in Chicago this summer.

https://youtube.com/shorts/UtDLBJGXCGo

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

Shit, its like Bad Bunny all over again. Had no idea who he was, just to find out he is/was the biggest artist in the world. I fear I may be out of touch.

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points

Don’t be so proud of your ignorance. Just look it up.

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

starting to get big. you’ve probably heard her music on the radio recently if you tune into a pop station. she’s got some good stuff!

permalink
report
parent
reply
21 points
*
Removed by mod
permalink
report
parent
reply
-10 points

My folk, get yourself an FM radio, and turn that shit on every morning. It’s bliss.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-6 points

Her voice is phenomenal. Her performing the other night in Glasgow, just chills when she sings…

https://youtube.com/shorts/GqgSRiQEVXs

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

Boomer centrists know what a search engine is, but since Chappell Roan didn’t endorse, and voting isn’t good enough, so they’re like “Who? I never heard of her! She must not be very important if she doesn’t agree with me 100% on my terms!”

Centrists can’t imagine people being frustrated with their decades of obstruction and sliding to the right.

permalink
report
reply
1 point

I’ve noticed the blue centrist types love to bully and belittle anyone and anything that doesn’t immediately get in line with their idea of a passive reality.

Who knew building a world around your own personal joy and nothing else makes you not connected to others and the tiredness of those not living it.

permalink
report
parent
reply

politics

!politics@lemmy.world

Create post

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to “Mom! He’s bugging me!” and “I’m not touching you!” Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That’s all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

Community stats

  • 10K

    Monthly active users

  • 12K

    Posts

  • 213K

    Comments