I lean toward “efficient entertainment”, but I do sometimes wonder what that chunk of my free time would look like otherwise.

22 points

Everything in moderation. It’s important to find an outdoor hobby you enjoy and make time for when the weather permits and let video games fill gaps when it’s bit suitable.

Fishing kicks ass btw.

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Downhill mountain biking for me. When im injured from throwing myself off something stupid it gives me time to catch up on platinum trophies.

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It’s funny you mention that circumstance, I finally got around to finishing all three endings and S-ranking most missions of Armored Core 6 while I was recovering from rolling my ankle slipping on a ledge while hiking.

More to the point of the post, I also spent a good bit of time researching the ecology of my local lakes and rivers for summertime for when I estimated my ankle would heal and once I was better I was equipped to get back out on the water.

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13 points

I will never understand fishing. You just throw the lure in and fucking wait.

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I see it as an addiction like gambling. You put in some time but don’t always win. That causes a bigger positive feedback for when you do win.

Then the win is a delicious fish and you’re hooked.

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11 points

And therein lies the catch. I don’t like fish.

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I think there’s SOME element of truth to this, but there’s a lotta skill that can be applied to fishing. Also, most days I don’t even get a nibble but it doesn’t bother me. I just enjoy getting on the water and soaking up some sun in beautiful scenery. I’ll fish less “productive” waters for a nicer view.

That said, the other week I “caught” a lure I lost last season and that was a bigger rush than some fish I’ve landed.

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2 points

and you’re hooked

Ayyyy

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2 points

Meditation.

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Okay but I can do that without buying expensive fishing equipment.

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So there’s a few different ways of fishing. I also am not a big fan of the bait a hook and wait style. I mostly fish with lures and spinners and this has a different appeal. One, it’s far more active. I’ll cast and retrieve a lure a few times in five minutes. I’m not sitting around waiting for a bite, I’m trying to make one happen.

That brings me to point two, I get to learn, practice and exercise different techniques while fishing. I’m constantly learning what works and what doesn’t under different circumstances. If it’s cloudy, I’ll throw a particular set of lures vs when it’s clear. The water conditions matter, too. Is it clear? Is it murky? Is there a lot of vegetation? I’ll also change up how I retrieve a lure to try and better imitate prey fish. Do i retrieve fast? Slow? A combination? Do I wait until I see a fish following it then let it stop for a second to trigger a strike? Will jerking the rod a bit help? All these factor into a decision making process and experimentation element that keeps me engaged.

Three, to put that theory into practice, I have to study the very thing I’m trying to catch. I’m researching the fish I intend to target. What are their behaviors during different times of day? Different seasons? When are they mating and how does this change what they want to eat? And this changes for each fish! So there’s a great deal of study that I can do off the water to help improve my success on it.

Four, its simply a great excuse to be outdoors. More often than not, I’m not hoping to get a fish, I’m enjoying the beautiful lake or river I’m at. I’m relishing the hike I took to get here, the exploration and excitement of finding a new fishing spot or even finding out something new about one I’ve fished dozens of times. Also, to be an effective and conscientious angler, I need to participate in the ecology of the waters I enjoy. I’m as much a part of the environment as the fish I catch and I owe it to myself and them to be a good steward of the land.

Fifth, I also LOVE cooking as a hobby and fishing plays into that in a nice way that I don’t feel I need to explain further. I mostly fish catch and release, but sometimes you gut hook a fish and it makes no sense to return it to the water because it’ll die. So, now I gotta figure out how to cook this thing.

All that said, there’s the rare occasion (usually when I got a few friends with me) that I’ll set up a chair, throw out a hook on a bobber with some bait, sit back, sip a beer, and enjoy the weather and conversation with my buddies. Or the peace of nature alone.

But I understand it’s not for everyone and that’s a-okay. I just think fishing is a fun activity that’s fairly inexpensive that a lot of people sleep on because they think it’s inactive and boring.

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This guy fishes. Glad to see you enjoy it. It is probably quite location dependent. Where I live there are basically no lakes I could go to and fish in peace even if I wanted to.

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11 points

I think hunting and fishing are mostly an excuse for meditation or hanging out with friends. I have some family members in hunting/fishing geographies and they never seem to care whether they actually catch anything.

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Well sure but then I could just meditate without the need for an excuse.

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2 points

Yep. They have reached the understanding of what it means being a hunter/fisherman. While it’s nice to bring home something to eat, it’s not a necessary. It’s the memories of that day that matter the most.

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I generally do that waiting in a beautiful place chilling with friends. It’s the journey not the destination, etc. Although actually catching fish is great as well.

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Nah.

You are hunting the right spot, with the right lure, with the right cast and return. You want to match the right gear with the right lure.

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People many years ago didn’t understand the purpose of looking at, and even copying, the squiggly little lines found in what we today call books, so as with every generation, you’re in company.

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What a roundabout way to say I am not alone in that opinion.

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Such a great example of ‘reality is what you’re conscious of’, I feel! ‘Just throw the lure in and wait’ could for another person be ‘arrive at a beautiful waterside location, ritually prepare your tackle, cast it into the water (a skill that can be a minigame in itself, with all the associated space for practice, improvement, and intermittent positive reinforcement), then enjoy the wonders of being still in nature, but also focus on your task and be ready to react instantly.’ It takes all sorts.

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I might just be influenced by all the fishermen I see fishing at my local lake. There is no peace to be found there due to all the tourists.

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Fishing is hunting done on water. Sometimes you wait, sometimes you’re actively searching for your prey.

You do get the bonus of being outside, seeing the world as it is today, and if you hunt successfully you get to eat better than anything you can get from the finest restaurant. And even if you catch nothing, you get to keep the memories of just being there. Maybe alone or with friends.

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I don’t like fish though. Especially fresh water ones.

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You also drink a ton of beer. That’s my favourite part, really.

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19 points

It is a crap shoot if an autist’s fixation winds up being something beneficial to a single soul.

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The time sink that video games demand

Video games don’t demand your time more than any other hobby… do you avoid woodworking because you’re scared you’ll make an elaborate wardrobe instead of a little box? Do you avoid swimming because you don’t want to go across the English Channel?

You can play small games and you can play for an hour a week, there’s no need to burn every hour of every day on it like a teenager.

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I can see some indie games as being easy to pick up and put down without a huge time commitment.* However, we shouldn’t discount the fact that a lot of games today, especially some of the “AAA” types, are purposedly designed to be addictive.

*Despite being a small indie game, Cracktorio Factorio will ruin your life. The factory must grow.

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Bigger games can also be quick. A match of rocket league is like 10 minutes. There’s no story so you can pick it up and put it down whenever you want.

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It’s way too easy for people to be exploited through video games, just as with gambling, for it to be “just another hobby”. They can also become addicted.

Yes, it can be a very nice hobby; with some games you can even show something for the time spent (As in skills, not “achievements”).

But it can also become a symptom of dangerous reality abandonment. The worst for this is in my opinion still better than substance abuse, but a danger nonetheless.

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Anything can be addicting. I knew a woman who was literally addicted to maraschino cherries. There are people who are addicted to work.

Anything done to excess is an addiction. So choose yours’ carefully.

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Yes, it can be a very nice hobby; with some games you can even show something for the time spent (As in skills

Nah, miss me with this mindset. Not every minute of your life needs to be productive, you should have at least one hobby that you can’t show something for the time spent.

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I want a TV show about wood working addicts. Please Jeff, you must stop crafting intricate cabinets. No more driftwood tables either. I’m sick of cleaning up resin goddamnit.

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I want a TV show about wood working addicts.

The Woodwright’s Shop

If you look around, probably on YouTube, I bet you can find episodes.

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It’s possible, but it can really change the type of games available to you too. I used to love Skyrim and similar, but eventually found I needed a minimum session of 2-3 hrs, otherwise I hadn’t even done any real playing, just inventory management, or getting crafting supplies. These days, with kids and work, I like rally simulator games, it can be satisfying to just do one or two stages, which can take as little as 5-20 mins. But it’s a whole different thing, no story, character development, surprises…a bit like going from watching Kurosawa films to watching the sports highlights.

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Agreed. It’s the same reason I occasionally pop in Madden or 2K. I can play a game or two and then just be done with it.

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For AAA, live service, “games as an industry,” sure. However, there are plenty of examples of games that are passion projects, respect your time, and have mutual respect with their community. You just won’t see them advertised on billboards.

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I run a company that does something very specific for some of the largest companies in the world. Key infrastructure is only functional because of what we do. One of the key skills that differentiate our people from the rest is something I often see in some of the top video game and TCG players. I always wonder, “what if they had focused that weird brain of theirs towards X or Y”.

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What’s the skill tho?

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The ability to see the entirety of an environment as a single entity, find synergistic relationships and figure out how to exploit those relationships to force a system to do something it was not designed to do. Like those people that make really niche character builds that suck 99.99% of the time but given this unique set of environmental variables it will suddenly hit you with infinite fireballs with one million points of crit damage or something like that.

The problem is that a mind like that is one requirement, another is years of experience (been there, done that, I know what that is) and really deep and wide knowledge in the field, which is also very hard to find. Finding someone with all of them is like finding a jedi unicorn. These are the people that make very high six or low seven figure salaries.

I’m being relatively vague on purpose.

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Explain your vagueness!

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7 points

Do you guys really need some intense clickers?

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You can’t just tell us gamers that and then not tell us how to get that bag

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Sorry, had work. I replied to another comment and gave more context.

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I would imagine every generation had their vices (lack of better word) that previous generations harped on. Why back in my day it was MTV (ok, occasionally they were right). But I’m sure when newspapers came out it was similar to tablets and phones. When tv came out, the radio-heads bitched about the “idiot box”. So on and so forth. Any history buffs out there care to elaborate?

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You can find newspaper articles from the late 1800s IIRC, that decry the slothful youth wasting all their time reading novels instead of playing outside like the glorious generation before them

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Longer than that. 2500 years ago ancient greek philosophers complained about the youth in the same ways.

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One of the oldest written works that we have, and can translate, was written centuries before the Roman empire and it is complaining about “kids these days”.

This crap has been going on for millennia.

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Well, I’d rather the youth were reading books instead of watching 5 second clips

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“idiot box”

it was called the boob tube

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9 points

“Stop sitting so close, you’ll damage your eyes! Sit farther back!”

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Thank you very much for sharing that article! t’s an awesome read.

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Pastime I think is the correct term.

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