This is about to be some real shit about a failing (failed?) marriage. Get out now if that is not for you.

My wife and I, both in our 40s, have been together for a long time, 20+ years. About 10 years ago our daughter was born and that was pretty good. I was stupid and had an affair during that first year because I was immature and, in retrospect, wasn’t able to handle the shift in my wife’s attention from me to my daughter.

We worked it out. We moved to a bigger house that is paid off. My mom died and left us all some money. Then my wife was diagnosed with MS about 4 years ago and things have been on the decline.

We haven’t had sex in a year and neither of us again expects to. She has been depressed and I don’t know how to help her. We recently, like yesterday, determined in a mutual discussion that we no longer had a romantic relationship, but that we had a good partnership for raising our daughter and generally handling life. While it was good to get an unspoken truth out there, it hurts. I think that we both feel lonely in the aching soul sort of way. Last night, when we went to bed, for first time that I can recall, she didn’t say, “I love you,” and neither did I. My Prozac is working overtime, and she shuts down when I suggest mental health support for her.

So, here’s the question. What now?

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Therapy for you to figure out if you should even stay in the marriage, then therapy to help you through what ever you decide to do.

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I know that you’re right. I don’t know what I would do if I went to therapy and we determined that the marriage should end. My wife’s health insurance is through my work. My daughter would be wrecked. It is scary.

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It’s definitely scary to dive into this, but try to remember: whatever the results of therapy, you’ll almost certainly be better for it on the other side. And your daughter will most likely be better off–because her parents will be in a better place, and because you’ll be setting a good example for her when she grows up and faces challenges.

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A therapist shouldn’t tell you what to do, just provide a safe space to explore your feelings, work through all the relevant questions you can think of, and maybe help brainstorm if you can’t come up with your own options.

Your wife and daughter’s situations are relevant, but so is yours. If your wife isn’t in love either but neither of you want to divorce, it sounds like your options are to either work on repairing and rekindling the marriage within the constraints of her diagnoses, or mutual agreement to keep the marriage going for now but see other people. Both are full of challenges and risks. If she’s not ok with either of those, then you may have to make a decision for yourself.

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I can tell you from my own experience, you don’t do the child a favor by sticking to a broken relationship, I wished my parents have broken up earlier instead of pretending everything is good and that’s how a normal relationship should be. It took me years and I sometimes still struggle today to draw a line and go into a conflict with my partner to figure things out instead of avoiding the conflict

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It’s important to know that, despite her youth, your daughter might be picking up more of what’s going on than either of you are intending to give her. Whatever you end up doing, having a real conversation about what’s going on is probably going to be beneficial.

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Kids are the best observers, better than adults, untainted by any preconceived notions. The daughter almost surely knows that something is going on and is watching very closely how her parents handle everything, that’s exactly what children do.

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This is a solid point. Thank you.

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The only thing therapy is supposed to do is allow you to be happy/content with your decisions. It doesn’t suddenly make you stop caring about your wife or your daughter. It should allow you to find the best decisions. You’re still your own person with your own decisions and nothing will take that from you.

If you don’t want to end the marriage, then therapy will never mean you’ll suddenly want to end your marriage. There is absolutely 0 reason to be afraid of therapy for this reason, in fact, it’s incredibly irrational and counterproductive.

Also, the question is what’s “wrecking” your child more, an absolutely unhappy marriage and having two unhappy parents? Or having two happy parents that aren’t married? It’s not a clear answer imo. Anyway, after therapy you guys may be two happily married people again, best of both worlds, who knows

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It is definitely scary. I want to remind you that you were once a decently happy person and that therapy (both individual and couples therapy) is likely one of the few options you have to move back in that direction.

It’s worth it (speaking from experience). That weight on your shoulders is just waiting to come off, but you likely need a bit of help to get things started.

“hire good private teachers, and accept the resulting costs as money well-spent.” - Marcus Aurelius

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I feel you on this fear, but that fear can be aired in therapy. Therapy is ENORMOUSLY helpful. And, not to play the What-If game, could potentially have salvaged your romantic relationship had it been brought in earlier. (I do not say this to make you feel shitty, but so anyone else struggling may see it.)

My wife and I started therapy at the first of our communication problems. We figured we have our car in for regular tune-ups, why not our marriage? And our therapist was thrilled. He said he wished more married couples began the process when they still got along well, because it’s easier.

But it’s definitely worth it even late in the game. Getting an outside, trained perspective on navigating the issues you have as a couple can dramatically improve quality of life. Even if you never expect to be romantic partners again, it can make you work better as a team for the reasons you mentioned.

I cannot recommend couples’ therapy enough.

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Stay married for the health insurance, everybody start seeing other people. Your wife’s depression is (probably) not your responsibility. Tell your daughter (and each other) love is not as simple as made out in movies, but can be much more. Everyone’s happiness is more important than following traditional ways. Always stay respectful towards everyone involved.

This is advice from a childless slut. You would probably be foolish to follow it.

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Good disclaimer

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Yo man, love is not what you thought it was, and this is a part of it. It’s very normal for stuff like that to come up when a child is born. It’s common to find yourself in ruts where you don’t feel attracted to one another. Most of all, it’s super fucking healthy to talk about it and not just pretend like everything is great.

Best advice is that you, her, and the two of you as a couple all get in therapy. Talking with people about this stuff is what helps that settle the dust after that flashbang.

My therapist would say “yeah, you’re not going to be wild about each other all the time without MDMA or cocaine. And it wouldn’t be healthy. This is healthy.”

If she’s shutting down when you suggest mental health support for her, suggest it for her for you. She might not think she needs it but you two are a dyadic unit. You live together, her her mental health affects you both, just as yours affects her.

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Is your kid in therapy? Because going by what you’ve said, your partner has been sick and depressed for 40% of your kid’s entire lifespan. That’s bound to take a toll.

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Holy shit this. My parents stayed together “for the kids” and it was bad for us. Therapy has helped me repair so much and develop in areas that were lacking. I’m someone I couldn’t have ever imagined becoming when I was a teen as a result.

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You should really push your wife into good therapy that is specialized for people with conditions like MS. Frame it as part of the treatment for MS.

That said, once she starts getting therapy, you may want to have discussions with her on what your relationship is after your daughter leaves the house. She is going to need extensive support for the rest of her life. She is going to need to decide if that is with you or not. I don’t know if she is ready to make that decision now.

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Frame it as part of the treatment for MS.

Solid idea. Though, I feel like this is phrased a bit strangely, because it makes it sound like this is duplicitous. A part of the treatment for any chronic condition would be how to cope with and emotionally process living with it. This is part of the treatment for MS.

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