123 points

Holy shit, one kilo of butter from 60kg of coal?!

That’s some pretty spenny butter for “agreeable taste”

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28 points

“The Germans preferred Ersatz.”

(Or at least that’s how I remember that quote from Catch-22 when I read it 25 years ago…)

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Especially when they had problems getting the coal they could mine, where it needed to be used.

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They used something else instead…

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i wonder how much emissions turning coal to butter creates. Maybe we should turn world’s coal to butter so planetkillhappy bastards cant burn it.

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11 points

Given it seems to generate 59kg of waste product, I don’t think it is going to be that great for the environment

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4 points

Unless the waste product is cheese…

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That “waste product” isn’t just thrown away.

They’re still hydrocarbons. Which are used in other places or burned for fuel… Which isn’t actually all that great for the environment…

Actually, tossing the waste product in a pit might be better, environmentally speaking.

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You don’t have to waste the other hydrocarbons when you crack something. You just use em for something else or burn them for power. Though the flare towers in refineries prove me wrong to a degree.

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5 points

You might be surprised what the material and energetic footprint of dairy is.

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42 points

60kg of coal to make 1kg of margarine!

I don’t know the chemistry behind it, but I suspect even if I did I wouldn’t want to eat it

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Given how many people here in Australia love to suck up to coal and petrol companies, I suspect they would want to

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If you make it from coal it is vegan because coal is just plants. If it’s made from petroleum it is not vegan because it is made from dinosaurs.

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Does that make China the most vegan energy producer in the world?

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8 points

China makes their fake cooking oil out of sewage

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5 points

Technically they are collecting discarded cooking oil from gutters. Potato/potato.

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Petroleum is also from plants/algea/bacteria/etc. All fossil fuels come non-animal living things things.

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made from dinosaurs

False, it’s from trees that grew, died, and fell down into piles and got buried, for millions upon millions of years, before anything on the planet evolved to eat their corpses.

edit: Seems I was working off outdated knowledge. Apparently scientists currently believe that almost all of our oil came from microscopic aquatic life such as algae and plankton. It still ain’t dinosaur juice though!

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-9 points

Its both.

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10 points

It’s not.

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That’s coal. Petroleum is from a variety of things that died in certain conditions where the carbon in their bodies was unable to escape into the short carbon cycle. It’s less dinosaurs and more Paleozoic though. That’s why you have stuff like the Permian basin

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Interesting. I knew how coal was formed but also thought a lot of our oil came from Carboniferous forests. After reading your comment I had to go read a few papers and articles! Apparently the consensus these days is that most of our oil came from microscopic aquatic life (diatoms, plankton, algae) that died and was buried in de-oxygenated water. The sheer amount of them that had to live and die to create these vast reservoirs of oil is mind blowing.

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In general my understanding is coal was trees, oil was mostly algae and plankton, and mostly started forming well before the first true dinosaurs.

Technically some of that plankton would be considered animals, though probably not something you’d easily recognize as being an animal (side-note: I’d be curious to hear some vegetarians/vegans weigh in on the theoretical ethics of eating zooplankton)

I’m sure there’s some edge cases, traces of more complex animals and such getting mixed in with dead plankton, and at the end of the day carbon is carbon regardless of where it comes from

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i am assuming they used some loose definition of nutritious

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And “agreeable taste”.

Margarine is nasty and I can’t imagine that’s the best version of it.

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15 points

TBH World War II was . . . kind of a bad time.

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Understatement of the thread.

You could add that many people had kind of a bad decade 35 to 45 as well

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margarine is absolutely fine, i don’t understand where you all get this idea that it’s “nasty” aside from it being cheaper and thus associated with poor people

it feels like how jamie oliver raged against chicken nuggets as some lower quality food, which is pretty clearly just him being a classist shithead.

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Because I’ve tasted it and it’s one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever eaten.

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margarine is absolutely fine

It’s hydrogenated cooking oil; trans-fats. It is absolutely not good to eat regularly.

Apparently that’s no longer true. Thanks fellow lemmings for setting the record straight.

That said, I do appreciate it for it’s long shelf life and availability when better foods are expensive or unavailable.

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