If you make it from coal it is vegan because coal is just plants. If it’s made from petroleum it is not vegan because it is made from dinosaurs.
In general my understanding is coal was trees, oil was mostly algae and plankton, and mostly started forming well before the first true dinosaurs.
Technically some of that plankton would be considered animals, though probably not something you’d easily recognize as being an animal (side-note: I’d be curious to hear some vegetarians/vegans weigh in on the theoretical ethics of eating zooplankton)
I’m sure there’s some edge cases, traces of more complex animals and such getting mixed in with dead plankton, and at the end of the day carbon is carbon regardless of where it comes from
made from dinosaurs
False, it’s from trees that grew, died, and fell down into piles and got buried, for millions upon millions of years, before anything on the planet evolved to eat their corpses.
edit: Seems I was working off outdated knowledge. Apparently scientists currently believe that almost all of our oil came from microscopic aquatic life such as algae and plankton. It still ain’t dinosaur juice though!
That’s coal. Petroleum is from a variety of things that died in certain conditions where the carbon in their bodies was unable to escape into the short carbon cycle. It’s less dinosaurs and more Paleozoic though. That’s why you have stuff like the Permian basin
Interesting. I knew how coal was formed but also thought a lot of our oil came from Carboniferous forests. After reading your comment I had to go read a few papers and articles! Apparently the consensus these days is that most of our oil came from microscopic aquatic life (diatoms, plankton, algae) that died and was buried in de-oxygenated water. The sheer amount of them that had to live and die to create these vast reservoirs of oil is mind blowing.
Margarine was synthesized as cattle food but deemed too unhealthy for them to eat.
This article about margarine doesn’t say that, and contradicts that. I’ve seen videos that agree it was originally made for humans.
After the French Emperor Napoleon III issued a challenge to create a butter-substitute from beef tallow for the armed forces and lower classes, Hippolyte Mège-Mouriès invented margarine in 1869.
it’s funny seeing people struggle to handle the fact that we and our food is primarily made of carbon and hydrogen, which is exactly what coal and other fossil fuels are made of as well.
this, and margarine in general, aren’t some horrid “chemical” product, it’s just carbon and hydrogen (and some other stuff) assembled into fat!
The problem with a lot of synthetics it produces molecules that are chirally or structurally different from the target molecules. People forget like WW2 is like 10-15 years after a bunch of people were poisoned by “wonder supplements” like radium. People should be skeptical of a WW2 recipe.
Ok, let’s not compare something objectively bad for you like consuming energetic ionizing radiation and a hydrocarbon made from an objectionable fossil fuel.
They’re still trying to make things with coal, like protein, and of course butter and margarine. I could find no references to chirality of molecules in coal “butter”, only that the difficulty in separating out the unwanted things like gasoline make the process inefficient and difficult.
And we’re not done with people consuming stupid things under the auspices of it being healthy for you. Doesn’t matter if it’s “polarized water” or consuming dewormer to ward off covid, people at perfectly happy to do dumb things.
Nile Red has a lot of videos that show these concepts and the power of chemistry and what you can do with it if you have enough understanding.
I wish I had scene videos like these in high school. It would have made chemistry so much less abstract.
i am assuming they used some loose definition of nutritious
And “agreeable taste”.
Margarine is nasty and I can’t imagine that’s the best version of it.
margarine is absolutely fine, i don’t understand where you all get this idea that it’s “nasty” aside from it being cheaper and thus associated with poor people
it feels like how jamie oliver raged against chicken nuggets as some lower quality food, which is pretty clearly just him being a classist shithead.
margarine is absolutely fine
It’s hydrogenated cooking oil; trans-fats. It is absolutely not good to eat regularly.
Apparently that’s no longer true. Thanks fellow lemmings for setting the record straight.
That said, I do appreciate it for it’s long shelf life and availability when better foods are expensive or unavailable.
Because I’ve tasted it and it’s one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever eaten.
I know a girl who thinks of ghosts,
She’ll make you breakfast, she’ll make you toast.
But she don’t use butter.
And she don’t use cheese.
She don’t use jelly, or any of these.
She uses Coooooooooaaaaaal
