She should wait till the last possible minute to introduce her v.p.and then lift the curtain to reveal Biden in sunglasses eating an ice cream cone.
Unfortunately VPs are beholden the the same term limits as president, so Biden can’t be VP again, but that would be very funny
Edit: apparently I’m talking out of my ass. I learned that at some point and never doublechecked, so thank you to those eho corrected me
Got a source for that?
There’s still some unsettled rough edges to the differences and overlap between the 12th and 22nd amendments, but they both seem to be pretty sensibly in agreement that if Joe Biden is eligible for 4 more years as President, he would be at least eligible for 4 years as Vice President.
Where it gets speculative is if Biden had already served 8 years, would he be eligible for VP? Or as a real world example: could Kamala pick Obama as her VP? There’s nothing explicitly preventing it.
Considering the average voter’s understanding of politics is pretty much entirely what’s been delivered via memes in their Facebook feed, I’m worried Shapiro will be conflated with Ben Shapiro and cost that edge in some of the closer races.
It’s stupid, but they need to plan for stupid.
On a similar note, I think Kelly would attract a decent chunk of votes solely because of ‘SPACE MAN!!’.
Politics is NOT a game of merit. Who can do the job best is moot if they’re not electable.
On a similar note, I think Kelly would attract a decent chunk of votes solely because of ‘SPACE MAN!!’.
All other things being equal, “SPACE MAN!!” is a good enough reason for me to vote for someone. Seeing our planet from orbit is widely regarded as a humbling experience, and that’s the sort of attitude I’d like in a an elected official.
Then again, all other things aren’t equal so it doesn’t really enter into it right now.
Yep. Based on my unprofessional but very interested hobby perspective: I would vote for most astronauts, and if I were in a fast choice scenario (I don’t know why that would be a thing), I would select an astronaut over probably 95% of other backgrounds, without hearing anything else.
If you think Shapiro will be confused with a different Shapiro but “Kelly” won’t be considered a woman, then idk what to tell you. Alao wild you think voters will be educated enough to recognize Kelly is an astronaut but not understand that Josh and Ben are unrelated
They don’t have to recognize Kelly is an astronaut, they will be constantly reminded.
“I’m Wolf Blitzer and here with us tonight is former astronaut and current Senator Mark Kelly” rolls right off the tongue.
Whereas “I’m Wolf Blitzer and here with us tonight is Governor Josh Shapiro. No, not the obnoxious right winger. That’s Ben Shapiro. This is Josh. They are different people who happen to share a last name” sounds like an SNL skit.
but “Kelly” won’t be considered a woman,
Umm… I never said that?
Alao wild you think voters will be educated enough to recognize Kelly is an astronaut but not understand that Josh and Ben are unrelated
Nor that.
Both of those things will 100% happen. …but ‘voters’ are more than one person, so some things will happen more than others. We want to set up the things that give us the highest number when it’s time to count votes. My money’s on “SPACE MAN!!” > “EWW A GIRL” and such.
Josh Shapiro is wildly popular in Pennsylvania and held in high regard by the Muslim and Arab community. Pennsylvania is also a critical battleground state.
See the response from @tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone here
Which is it?
See the response from @rayyy@lemmy.world here
Which is it?
To summarize recent events:
- It is likely going to be a governor, meaning PA’s Shapiro, Minnesota’s Walz, or KY’s Beshear.
- Next Tuesday, Kamala Harris will campaign in Philadelphia with her VP selection, probably less than 10 miles from Shapiro’s home in the suburbs. She will also head to Arizona, suggesting either Shapiro or Kelly could be frontrunners
- Kelly plans on being in Arizona next week anyway, although I haven’t heard an outright denial about him traveling to PA
- Whitmer came to suburban Philly on Monday to campaign with Shapiro.
I would be shocked if she isn’t picking Shapiro
I think Shapiro is the most obvious pick, but also not the most strategic. His position on Gaza and Israel don’t help her where she needs it the most. She is going to have to wrangle NC and GA on her own. Her VP and surrogates are going to need to get upper midwest (game is over without those) and PA. Mark Kelley ain’t delivering AZ, and Beshear aint delivering Kentucky, so they’re out
That leaves it between Walz and Shapiro. I think objectively Walz is better for her across the board. He’s a stronger progressive and he puts WI, MI, and MN completely out of the running for Republicans to get, but he needs to be able to be “on the right side” of Israel/ Palestine to do so and it says: Undecided, we heard you. Shapiro has been on the wrong side the whole time; it would be a harder pivot and he has to come out full throated to take MN and WI off the table and make MI competitive again. Its not clear to me Shapiro does that.
Lets assume its a trade off. If you go Shapiro you lock up PA, if you go Walz you lock up MN, MI, and WI. If you go Shapiro and don’t step left on Israel Gaza, you don’t get the upper midwest and it doesn’t matter if you don’t pickup PA. Thats two additional if’s on the board for Shapiro. Walz is already on the winning side of Israel Gaza, so that makes the job of getting those states much easier. Basically, you’ can’t suffer any defections under a Shapiro scenario. I think Walz is the more strategic, smarter bet, but I also think its the one they won’t make.
As an anyone but Trump independent conservative in one of the states you stated, who is Walz and why would it make people in my state vote for Harris more than Harris already does? I didn’t like Biden and I don’t like Harris, but Harris is doing better than I ever thought possible. I really don’t see what a VP could do for her as far as my state goes. I think Harris is the selling point herself
As an anyone but Trump independent conservative in one of the states you stated
Did you vote Undecided or uncommitted? Do you have friends or family in the ME? Are you a young person whose rights are being stripped away on college campuses, something that a candidate like Shapiro supports? Do you see US foreign policy as fundamentally racist and in support of a genocide? If you didn’t answer yes to those issues, or If you don’t support the Palestinian peoples cause, the VP pick might not be a deciding factor for you.
The fact is 13% of voters in MI voted undecided, largely for the reasons I mentioned above, about 100,000 voters. MI only went Biden by 150k votes in the general. Wisconsin, 8.3%, Minnesota, 19%, unaffiliated or undecided or uninstructed. That’s a more than consequential number of voters who need to be brought back in for Harris to claim that state.
If Harris is good enough for you, then she should be good enough for you regardless of her VP pick and you can just go back to not knowing who your neighboring states Governors are. But there are plenty who see her foreign policy as a direct extension of the Biden WH, and a guy like Shapiro is going to look like more of the same. This is how politics works. You have to make appeals to specific demographics and blocks of voters.
The idea that winning elections has ever been about appeals to the center has always been incorrect. Winning elections is about appealing to and driving out specific demographics of voters.
As a “Never Trump” conservative, you should consider yourself fortunate enough to at least have access to a party that has kept its sanity through the decades of mess that Republicans built up for us, starting with Reagan. Its a big tent party, and making demographic appeals based on policy are part of the process.
Just because something isn’t a priority for you doesn’t mean it isn’t a priority for someone else.
Here’s a recent and surprisingly short opinion piece I happened upon that sells him pretty well.
It’s a Newsweek on MSN horror show website, so I went ahead and archived it.
I would be just as excited about Harris/Shapiro as I was about Biden/Harris. I think it is suicidal to pick him, but I think all indications make that likely. Just about anyone else is a better pick. He is just so far into advocating for this genocide, it is like getting Biden back on the ticket.
If you don’t mind, since it seems like you have a grasp of the material, can you outline the bigger issues with Shapiro for those in the audience or not paying attention? I know he was basically against the student protests, and the whole “scandalous” conduct thing, but honestly not in great detail. Its good to have specifics.
But if its how you say it is, it seems like there is almost no way you retain the upper-midwest with Shapiro on the ticket, unless its a complete reversal for him. You just won’t get the Muslim with an islamaphobe on the ticket. And i think if you are currently siding with Israel on this issue right now, thats the right word. Muslims face the reality that, apparently, a majority US politicians see their lives as less valuable than even farm animals. Its also clear that Israel has never been acting in good faith regarding negotiations, even the bastardization of whatever a ceasefire is the US tried to roll out. Its also clear that they never cared about getting the tourists back; their lives were always part of the cost of doing the business of the Zionist colonial project.
Dem’s can’t suffer any defections among MI, WI, and MN. If they lose any one of those states, this election is done, because it also means they’ve almost definitely lost PA and either GA or NC or both.
I think Shapiro is the most obvious pick
You got that right then went off track. Josh Shapiro would be a huge and strategic asset to the ticket.
Why the theatrics? American politics shits me so hard
Because the name of the US public political game is keeping yourself in the 24/7 news cycle.
Harris is frankly unexpectedly doing a fantastic job of doing that so far. Unexpected given how invisible she is as Biden’s VP. (Compared to the others at least to Gore.)
The job of the VP is to be invisible. They are an understudy who steps in when the main event has a colonoscopy for a few hours, and the rest of the time just wait for the President to keel over. The job was so lame that the Founders had to give them the extra job of breaking up fights in the Senate just to give them something to do.
Harris could never have been this visible while Biden was leading the ticket, otherwise people would have wondered why she’s not leading it.
That used to be true. Speaking strictly constitutionally “invisible” is still a bit of an overstatement but not unfair. Regardless modern US VPs have some standardized additional roles (National Security Council member being the biggest one) and others assigned per administration which can and reportedly have impacted the administrations they’re party to.
I’m not sure I take your point about Harris’ invisibility in particular. She’s set a new record in her capacity as President of the Senate by casting the most tie-breaker votes in US history. On the flip side she’s drawn a lot of flak while working on the Central America Forward initiative (justified or not is a separate discussion). Her perceived invisibility isn’t because she hasn’t been getting publicly visible work done.
I’m still holding out hope for Buttigieg, no matter how small the chances are.
