is judging people based on what others have done not the whole point of Catholicism?
is judging people based on what others have done not the whole point of
Catholicismall Christianity?
Oh I’m totally Judging you too catholic. Any religious nuts btw
You want to believe in something go ahead that’s healthy,
You want to be part of a money making, rule setting, kid raping, woman killing (see how any religion applies?!) organization that tells you how and what you have to believe and that some people are less than others?! Then you are fucked up
“see how any religion applies?!”
Atheist of fundamentalist protestant extraction. Aren’t like some of the Buddhists pretty cool? Especially the Zen Buddhists. Also, Sikhs seem cool. And the Jainists.
I could totally be wrong. Organized religion is a terrible thing in almost all of my experience.
Wiccans have been real cool in my experience. They have really fun orgies.
You’re right. It should say “most religions”. Jainists are the top example of a non harmful religion but very few Jainists exist. Sikhs do seem pretty cool but I haven’t done too much research on them. Buddhism is actually rife with violence and encourages masochism though the Zen sect is definitely better.
I think the real point though is that saying, “I’m religious”, should be an embarrassing and negative statement. Not something that means the person should automatically be given the benefit of the doubt because a minority of religious people are just harmlessly misinformed. It’s like saying, “I’m a cannibal, but don’t worry, I’m part of a special Zen cannibal sect that only eats people after they die of natural causes and consented to being eaten because we think that it really helps the circle of life and the environment”. It’s not technically hurting anyone but it’s still weird and when you hear cannonball in general you should still automatically assume that person is dangerous.
Different person sticking their nose in, but I really respect what the Satanic Temple is doing. Like in general, but also specifically their stance that religion should not be ceded as the territory of superstition.
Like it or not, religion is one of the fundamental building blocks of community. It provides gathering. At its best it encourages sharing, both of burdens and of blessings. Prayer is so often just meditation focused on helping one another.
I was raised in Christianity, and I am downright resentful of so much of what they did to me. But god I miss the community. Kink is the closest thing I have found in secularism.
No Satanic Temple near me unfortunately. I’d love to have something like that in my life.
The main thing for me is that spirituality and faith don’t need organization. If you believe in buddah and his teachings go fo it, you don’t need a temple to tell you how to do it. If you believe in jesus just follow his word you don’t need to supporr and give money to a company just so you have a building to go pray.
God, Jesus, Buddah, Allah, Shiva, Ogun, the great pastafari… it doesn’t matter who you believe they don’t care about buildings, gold and pretty clothes and they don’t need a “special” person to “guide” you throgh you faith.
Your faith is yours only
Edit: Just to add that a community that supports you and helps you when you need has nothing to do with religion. It can be your neighbours, school friends, work friends, even relatives sometimes lol
You want to be part of a money making, rule setting, kid raping, woman killing (see how any religion applies?!)
With the “see how any religion applies” part you are so close to recognizing that this is a strawman argument.
You can take any sufficiently large group of people and find bad subgroups. You can take any sufficiently large organization and find corruption.
Your statement can apply to more than just religion. You could apply it to any country, for example.
And Veggietales (screenshot in the meme) is a Christian-themed show for a Christian audience.
If you had any sense you wouldn’t claim to be part of an organized religion that shielded people who raped kids. They shouldn’t shield people who are killing kids and committing genocide. These are pretty easy judgements for me and even Bob sees it.
If I don’t pay taxes, they kill me. Can you tell me the same about religion?
I mean yeah many religions have extreme sects that will enforce harsh consequences for not participating.
I think the point is that a person being a member of a religion which has some other members who have committed horrible acts whilst hiding behind their religion, shouldn’t lead to others immediately presuming that said person agrees with those actions or at least covers up for those who did those actions.
In doing so you’re playing right into the hands of the assholes - such as Zionists and Pedophile Catholic Priests - committing those actions whilst hiding behind their religion.
Now, when people do voice or demonstrate their agreement with those actions or cover up the above mentioned people committing horrible acts, then, absolutely, judge away, and quite independently of their religion even: for example you can find plenty of apologists for the Zionist Genocide and mass murder of children who aren’t Jewish.
PS: Mind you, I share many other people’s opinion of the tendency for evil in organized religion, but still, fair is fair and painting everybody with the same brush just because they belong to the same religion as some assholes isn’t fair, what’s fair is to judge those people by their words and their actions, and if those words and actions include covering up for and even supporting the assholes within their religion, THEN it’s fair to consider such people as also assholes.
So is arguing that because an organization has corruption and bad things happen in it that the whole thing is worth throwing away. If that was the case you would have to consider all governments, organizations, systems and businesses that are inherently faulty are worth the same dismantling.
It’s almost as if all things made by human hands are faulty and can’t be repaired or something.
What’s a progressive catholic?
Wasn’t the Catholic Church involved in eradicating native populations in a couple countries too?
Someone who vibes with the basic teachings of Jesus (feed the hungry, clothe the poor, turn the other cheek, etc.) and heavy ritual stuff (cathedrals, stained glass, cannibalism by proxy, etc.) but does not vibe with repressive conservative politics.
They were probably raised Catholic, saw some ick with the Institution, but vibed with Jesus too hard to just write the Faith off. Tbf every progressive probably vibes with Jesus if they read what the guy supposedly said.
That’d be the ick. Still a cool dude though, lot on the ball. I’d say progressive Catholics are mostly the ones who assume that if you don’t fw the Vatican you don’t fw the Christ and don’t think about it too much. There’s a lotta good people caught up in that mentality.
A Catholic that doesn’t follow core teachings of the church like anti abortion and gay people go to hell.
But a little kid raping is ok you just got to be relocated. Enjoy Catholic light*
