Fuck off Joe, you’re slightly better than Hillary because you did eventually listen to reason.
But he should have said years ago he wasn’t going to run in 2024.
Hell, even if he just said it 6 months ago we could have had a real primary
It’s good he finally did the right thing, but he came damn close to not. He’s not a hero because he stopped doing the wrong thing at the last possible second. A week ago he wouldn’t stop rambling about “Lord God” was the only one that could make him drop
Dude is off the deep already, and has been for a while.
Now that he’s stepped down, it’s a lot harder for you to hide that Trump love. You’ve lost your talking point, lol. Floundering just like the GOP.
nah. i won’t call him a “hero” but this is the best way it could have happened, rather than republicans having YEARS to foment hatred and spin conspiracy theories and make everyone waste time debunking lie after lie about harris.
and nobody’s going to switch from D to R because it’s harris instead of biden. you can be fairly certain, however, that there WILL be people voting who weren’t going to vote at all when it was biden instead of harris
should he be applauded? yes. is he a hero? no. should he have announced it years ago? no fucking way.
but this is the best way it could have happened
The best way was this happening a year ago so we could have a primary…
But you don’t think Dem voters should have had a say?
I’m a lot more democratic than you apparently…
LOL good job parroting fox news’s desperate “bIdEn ChEaTeD tHe DeMs!!!” talking points. i’ll bet you’re doing it for free too.
news flash-- biden isn’t running, and you could have voted for anyone you wanted in the primary. so this entire “debate” about biden’s shoulda/woulda/coulda, while entertaining to obliterate people in, is getting the tankie position exactly nowhere
Looks like we’re back in full “you can’t criticize the Democrats at all or you’re a Russian troll” territory. I hate this sycophancy.
I’m with you on this one. The Democrats have been skirting democracy to the best of their ability for years. I’m glad we’ve got a better chance of defeating Trump now, but I’m unwilling to concede the democratic process of nominating candidates. If we celebrate this fucked up process instead of holding their feet to the fire, they’re just going to learn that actually they don’t need to bother involving the people at all. We cannot give a single inch to the plutocrats at the top.
That’s a really awful take. It’s good that Biden has stepped aside but our lack of a primary absolutely isn’t “a good thing”. Primaries are how we battle test our candidates and Harris has never performed well in one. I hope to hell she wins but I’d have more confidence if she’d been able to secure the nomination through traditional means.
who do you think would have won (or should have won) this hypothetical primary that was “stolen” from us?
He didn’t think he’d be pressured out 6 months ago. He’s obeying popular opinion that shifted after the debate.
Someone here compared it to convincing an elderly parent to stop driving. They’re not heroes either, it just sucks for everyone that nature works this way.
He did like a tenth of the press conferences as the last two presidents…
And people were pointing out his age related issues 4 years ago.
The only reason it took till the first debate for a critical mass to demand he drop out, was that was the first people had seen him speak for longer than 5 minutes. Ive been calling for him to do more public appearances/interviews this whole term, lots of us did. But we were called conspiracy nuts for saying an 80 year old was as capable as the average 80 year old.
The people around him day to day knew how bad it was and knew he’d be forced to step down if the public knew. So they fucking hid him. Just like Republicans did with Reagan.
Like it or not, that’s what happened.
I hope you at least learned that it’s not just ok to criticize your “team” it’s fundamentally necessary.
If people hadn’t, wed still be running Joe and trump would still be likely to win.
History will paint Biden very kindly. This speech will be the example of a humble, good man.
This is like calling a school bus driver a hero because at the last possible second he hit the brakes instead of intentionally driving the bus off a cliff.
It’s good he stepped aside, but he waited till pretty much the last second and clearly didn’t want to hit the brakes.
In that analogy, the heroes are all the people that got him to hit the brakes.
I didn’t call him a hero, though, I called him humble and good. In your zeal to urinate on corn flakes, you forgot basic reading skills.
If he’s “humble and good” he’d have stepped down a year ago so voters could have a real primary and not a coronation.
Maybe the timing was to ensure an albatross like JD was firmly tied around his neck.
So you think Biden and the DNC colluded and he always meant to stand down?
He just waited until there wasn’t enough time for a primary so Kamala could get it?
Don’t get me wrong, she’s got a better shot than Joe. But if you legitimately think they planned this timing…
That’s not a good look.
Especially for voters in NH who had their primary delegates stolen.
Absolutely nothing was stopping him from remaining in the race until the convention and becoming the official nominee. That was a viable path forward, if he had wanted to choose it. That he did not, deserves acknowledgement and respect.
I agree in principle with what you’re saying.
However, a sitting president is not entitled to the nomination. It’s happened before where a sitting president is denied a nomination for a second term, and it’s been given to someone else in the party instead.
If it had gone that way with Biden though, I think the optics would have been so bad that there would be no hopes of salvaging the election though, so it’s still praiseworthy that he dropped.
That’s an interesting analogy because objectively the bus driver is a hero for stopping a bus full of kids hurtling off a cliff.
It’s a poor analogy because there’s no one on the bus trying to grab the wheel and hit the gas by force.
He could have shrugged it off like RBG did and fuck everyone for generations. Better late than never.
Better late than never.
Obviously.
But if a guy has a gun next to your head and ends up not pulling the trigger, are you gonna talk about how good your kidnapper was?
You still got kidnapped, and you still had a gun to your head.
Why thank the person who caused the problem and not the hostage negotiaters who got you released?
Must be difficult now Genocide Joe is stepping down to decide who to root for.
And your not? Yout stopped paying your taxes right because it is genocide. I mean your not just supporting it out of a little inconvenience that might happen in your life right?
bidens realtion to the actions to israel is equivalent to the voter/taxpayers relation to biden. both are bound in relationships that limit the actions they can take. Im fine with hey he could limit more of what we do in relation to what he has to do via congress but the whole supporting genocide thing then its like well then so are you and all the west by and large. you can’t make one indirect thing as being the thing and not ignore the other indirects along the line and say oh well thats to indirect.
Do you actually care about the genocide in any actionable way besides yelling at people online?
He is stepping aside and letting his VP, who has very notably not supported Israel, take the lead. Can you shut your piehole for a second? You got what you wanted, “Genocide Joe” is no more.
She’s light years better than Biden.
But she still takes AIPAC money, and spoke at their conference 7 years ago after they helped get her senate seat
https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/362782/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-palestine-biden-netanyahu
But we literally just saw public criticism work, why are you so quick to say we have to stop?
We can’t just show up once every four years and vote. We need constant pressure on politicians for them to do the right thing
Because there’s constant pressure on them to do the wrong thing, and that almost always comes with “donations”.
Stop.
She hasn’t been afforded the chance in the current context to actually express her true stance. I expect it to be much more tepid towards Israel than Biden’s, but at the same time, we are trying to prevent a fascist takeover here, and it is a very fucking bad idea to piss off AIPAC in that context, as infuriating as that is to admit. She’s got to walk a tightrope to win back Arab-Americans that Biden foolishly pushed away, but at the same time can’t afford to have AIPAC putting all hands on deck to try to kill her campaign.
TL;DR: foreign influence organizations both covert and overt - including, but not limited to, AIPAC - need to be cracked down on aggressively, but I really don’t see that happening until after the election at the very least. And even then, the odds are low, because they’ll all just bribe tons of politicians and offer quid pro quos lobby against any such laws. Its a huge problem and it’s proven to be infuriatingly intractable for AGES.
if your goal is a world where no one ever says anything good about biden, ever, then you’re in for a disappointing life.
also, if you think the united states will ever stop sending money and weapons to israel due to many many economic, geopolitical and military strategic factors–same thing, get ready for sadpepe.gif for the rest of your days.
There’s a ton of trolls in here who can’t celebrate anything good while anything bad is happening. Yes, his response to the genocide in Israel was abysmal. I have no illusions that the right would have done any better, and in fact believe Trump would have thrown more fuel on it. I’m ecstatic that Biden is not running again so that maybe Kamala can finally fucking do something about it. But I think we can take five seconds to admit that he did a lot of good for our country in other ways and made the right call here in dropping out.
For those who won’t budge:
There’s literally no winning, huh? Any flaw or misstep is enough to complain about and use as a reason to abstain or be an accelerationist. Y’all will claim Biden and Dems are monsters for their flaws. All that does is hurt the sane side of our government and make the actual fascists who have done so much worse have a better chance at taking over.
Can y’all please please please not let perfect be the enemy of good for once in your miserable life? This thinking is what brought us Trump in the first place, and while I can agree we need to do better, start at the local level, because only caring when we’re on another brinkmanship presidential race makes you look like short-sighted toddlers.
Look, all these posts from accounts on lemmygrad, chapotraphouse members, lemmy.ml…they’re all bullshit. I’m convinced that they are entirely Russian trolls. There is no making them happy with slightly left of center. It seems they’ll never be happy until America has been destroyed. There is no point to placating them or even acknowledging their existence.
The “genocide Joe” moniker was particularly stupid. Do you really think Joe Biden was going to single handedly denounce Israel and kill off a key strategic alliance because of a few extremists? It is a completely silly notion.
they’ll never be happy until America has been destroyed
it’s important to slap down the nonsense and call out the bullshit at every opportunity. they’re coming out of the woodwork to harass and manipulate everyone into second guessing themselves, for the sole purpose of getting trump into the white house.
fuck that shit.
The problem is this isn’t true. I hate Biden but I despise the way Trump makes him look decent comparatively. How long can keep running slightly worse candidates compared to your previous one (hopefully Harris bucks this trend)?
People who call out Biden get called single issue voters; by people who’s only concern is Trump doesn’t get elected. They are ignoring absymal healthcare, terrible foreign policy, horrible housing prices, costly food bills, even the stable finicial sector is now losing jobs due to the AI craze.
I understand why people are worried about Trump. Still, we need candidates who actually want to run the country correctly and not just cater to the rich. We cannot sacrifice everything because the news makes Trump to be all powerful.
harass and manipulate everyone into second guessing themselves, for the sole purpose of getting trump into the white house.
You are gas lighting. We need to start caling this everytime we see it. Otherwise, you would bother people on Truth Social and Twitter (or even reddit which actually has a population that could matter in a national election) if you wanted people to stop voting for Trump. But that would make too much sense.
Leaving aside the actual political substance of your comment. Don’t you think it’s a bit… Head in the sand to assume anyone who disagrees with you is some “Russian troll”? I know we all exist in social media bubbles, myself included, but my social circles and my online circles all share “radical” concerns about the administration and country in general but it generally comes from a genuine desire for our politicians and therefore country to be and do better. We’re all Americans just like (I presume) you.
I joined lemmy.ml cause of the FOSS stuff but I’m learning it comes with a reputation I didn’t know about.
In my childhood (in Russia) I’d talk this way about Russia. So they might be real.
I just (EDIT: later) realized later that many of the good things around me are too, well, not from Mars.
And that many of the bad things around me are absolutely not specific to Russia or ex-USSR.
And that one thing absolutely right is scolding all you don’t like and not bowing your head, because when you accept fools and their foolery because of some false “lesser evil”, you lose.
Not all of them are trolls. Shit, I’ve met tankies more libertarian that a lot of people “not interested in politics”, because the norm for that grey mass has shifted to a really dark place.
When you say slightly left of center, to whom are you referring? Bernie wasn’t allowed to run for President.
Slapping a rainbow sticker on capitalism doesn’t make the Democrats leftists. We have two conservative parties in this country, just one that’s evolving into their final form (fascism). Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be voting for Harris in November and I’m ecstatic that Biden stepped aside. But if all the leftists online are “Russian bots”, than all you centrists are pro-capitalism LLMs. And we’ll be right back in the same position in four years.
There’s a ton of trolls in here who can’t celebrate anything good while anything bad is happening.
The spectacle of the presidential election has diverted a lot of attention away from the genocide in Palestine, the upswell in COVID infections and deaths nationally, and the decaying domestic infrastructure driven by climate change. Biden’s retirement isn’t changing any of that.
There’s literally no winning, huh?
Kamala’s been the heir designate to the party for less than a week and she’s already writing condemnation letters aimed at Palestinian Rights protesters in DC. Its a grim state of affairs, particularly with the police violence on student campuses still fresh in people’s minds.
Can y’all please please please not let perfect be the enemy of good
We’re waiting for some good. So far, we’ve had a bumper crop of cutesy memes and a bit of relief from the deeply depressing poll numbers that signaled Trump would receive a free ride into the White House in November. But we’re still waiting for a candidate to put more on the table than her famous “$20k in relief for a Pell Grant Recipient who runs a business in a disadvantaged community for at least three years”.
Not everyone is happy to open their wallets and bust out the walking shoes for just any generic liberal candidate.
I cannot wrap my mind around this level of privilege. In all honesty I really can’t. I don’t think there’s a thing I could do to change your opinion and this nugget:
Not everyone is happy to open their wallets and bust out the walking shoes for just any generic liberal candidate.
Suggests you or others with your opinions won’t vote because… she’s generic? Or didn’t do enough yet? And claiming that Biden dropping out won’t end the genocide, so let’s not see it as positive?
What saint would you prefer we vote in? Can you explain how they are both morally spotlessly pure AND have a snowball’s chance in hell? If you’re convincing enough, maybe that second coming of Jesus will lead us to a utopia. /s
Some of us are not in the position of being able to use a foreign tragedy as our stopping block. Some of us have our rights and safety on the line.
I cannot wrap my mind around this level of privilege.
Folks on Lemmy think this entire election revolves around them.
If stopping genocide is your biggest issue, I suggest going to rail against in it right-wing spaces instead. There’s a lot more pro-genocide to stop there.
it’s pretty telling that, for all the biden bashing and accusations of “you support genocide!!!” in this thread, i see very few concrete actionable suggestions from those people about what everyone should be doing right now. beyond “sToP sAyInG gOoD tHiNgS aBoUt BiDeN”
LOL
no.
“Defending Democracy”
lmao
No one voted for Harris. She was just… selected. Without a single vote. Democrats… spouting Democracy. fkin lol.
Her name was on the ballot in 2020, everyone who voted for Biden also voted for Harris.
You appear to be conservative, so here is the best online course I could find to teach you about the U.S. Constitution:
America’s Written Constitution by Yale University on Coursera:
- Covers themes like popular sovereignty, separation of powers, federalism, and rights.
- Taught by Professor Akhil Reed Amar.
- Includes videos, readings, and quizzes.
Let me know when you’ve completed it and we can have a real big boy conversation ;)
Huh. Just the other day, Trump claimed in a speech that he took a bullet for democracy. I wonder which democracy he was talking about?
