- Trump and his supporters are slamming Joe Biden for quitting the race and endorsing Kamala Harris.
- Some members of MAGA world are bemoaning the millions of dollars spent running against Joe Biden.
- Biden’s withdrawal also means Trump is now the oldest candidate in the presidential race.
Incidentally, there’s a bunch of people on Lemmy really mad that they can’t tell everyone not to vote for Biden anymore. They’ll tell us not to vote for whoever is going to be his replacement though.
You know what I’m not seeing?
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
ALL of the tentative happiness about Harris maybe being a stronger candidate than Biden was, is coming from people who were either neutral or defending Biden before. The people who were giving a firehose of criticism to Biden and demanding that it was MANDATORY for him to step down, for the good of the Democrats and the country, have for the most part fallen silent, and a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
Yeah, they can’t take two seconds to enjoy the victory they wanted. They have to move on to the next thing to bitch and moan about.
They didn’t want Biden to step down. They wanted him running against Trump and losing.
That’s not true! I danced a jig when we found out. I was voting against Trump but now I am voting for Harris.
I was one of them and now am elated to vote for a non-geriatric piece of shit and a woman.
Idk how this season is going to end but the writers have definitely been building toward something.
Remember the end of season 1 of “Arcane”, where everything looks like maybe it’s gonna be okay, and then you get to see in slow motion how an unexpected spasm of violence undoes anything good that might have been building, and you know everything’s gonna be bad, bad bad, going forward?
I hope I am wrong
a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
I mean, in both cases people are entitled to their honest opinions. I’m going to vote for her, but I’m not happy about it. Not being happy about her her career pre-whitehouse seems fairly reasonable to me.
“People are entitled to their honest opinions” - but that wasn’t what was happening - a bunch of rightwingers posting as leftwingers were spending a lot of time trying to convince democrats not to vote. They had paragraphs to say about why Biden was terrible but could never find the same level of detail or ire about Trump, whereas someone who was genuinely leftwing would have a lot more to say about Trump than Biden by way of criticism.
You know my history regarding Biden. Go on, check my history since Biden did the right thing and dropped out. I’m still posting and not so much as an unkind word about Harris. Biden did the right thing. The party did the right thing. I’m overjoyed that for the first fucking time in far too goddamned long, Democrats listened instead of digging in their heels and demanding votes, every pore reeking of entitled paternalist condescension.
You were wrong. Your shitty candidate bowed out like you didn’t want him to, and just look. The party has very much gotten in line behind Kamala. The predicted chaos and infighting hasn’t happened. She’s had the best fundraising in US history simply by being the understudy who was present at the time and not being Biden.
The people who were giving a firehose of criticism to Biden and demanding that it was MANDATORY for him to step down, for the good of the Democrats and the country, have for the most part fallen silent
Have you considered that it’s because they’re finally satisfied? At least for now? Harris is a reasonable compromise candidate. Biden wasn’t, and he listened to reason and bowed out. We’re better for it.
a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
Democrats are a big tent. Some of us don’t like genocide. Some of us don’t like cops. Some of us don’t like either. Harris is in a better position to distance herself from past actions than Biden was about ongoing actions.
She ran on full cannabis legalization in 2020 and was a sponsor of the Justice in Policing Act of 2020. It ain’t gonna stick.
I’m glad Biden dropped out.
Are you?
Have you considered that most if not all people were supporting Biden because they were doing what they could to save democracy? That maybe they weren’t voting for Biden, but against Trump?
Of course you have. I’ve seen people actually tell you this first-hand- only for you to rewrite their shit and spit it back out as something entirely different. Because that’s what you do.
You see, the rest of us are wiling to do whatever it takes to save those who WILL be hurt by Trump should he get elected. We’re not entitled and arrogant enough to think we have the luxury to not vote.
But that’s because we’re mature adults that understand that merely asking for something isn’t all it takes to get it. We also understand that sometimes, the choices suck, and the lesser of two evils is all you have- and that not doing something isn’t an option when you’re wanting the opposite result of nothing to happen.
Grow up.
Me, 22 days ago
We’ve never had a pair of candidates this unpopular. (Maybe Trump vs Clinton)
If the Dems had any kind of brains, they absolutely would pick someone else at the convention.
Just not Harris; She might be the only one, less popular than Biden is.
At this point, I guess she’s a better pick than Biden, just not by much.
I still want an open convention, and someone else.
I think the missing factor to consider is that Biden is unpopular mostly because of the media telling absolute dogshit lies about him like that he was bad for the economy.
Sure, he’s old. But if “elderly” was a disqualifying factor, then “insurrectionist” would be, also. I think the issue is that the media is going in the tank against the progressive, as they tend to do, and that that has the potential to swing against any genuinely decent candidate that the Democrats want to put forward. I sorta hesitate to say that a good answer to that is “okay well let’s just put forward a more corporate friendly candidate who will be ‘popular’ with the people whose perception is shaped by the media.”
Wasn’t rabid before, but I was one of those for Biden stepping down in favor of Kamala. I just wanted a strong voice that was capable of at least countering Trump’s endless spew of lies. But I have noticed those that are now bashing Kamala were also telling people not to vote for Biden.
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
Really? I’ve seen plenty of posts like that. Stuff like “Donated to the democratic party to show this was necessary”, “Finally, we can safely roast Trump for being old and senile”, “I don’t care who the replacement is, thank god he’s out”.
There are some shit-stirrers, but they seem to be the minority.
Disclaimer: I am not American, cannot vote or donate, am heavily invested in the election due to the ramifications on Ukraine.
Can you link me to them?
You don’t, like, have to, but I am genuinely curious. I haven’t seen that and I am wondering if there is some segment of Lemmy that I am missing.
I’m happy AF.
Biden’s legacy is secure. He can rest easy as the man who beat back the right-wing fascist autocracy and led the country to elect the first female president. 🤞
Even though I agree with you I would suggest not pushing the first woman president angle. There’s already plenty of dumbasses saying that she shouldn’t be elected because she’s a woman, including 2 of my women coworkers. One is a republican and the other a Democrat, both boomers too.
Let’s just push the competent angle.
Eh, their new dissent orders seem to be “Biden can’t appoint Harris! I didn’t vote for her!” which, of course, displays a total lack of knowledge about what primaries are and what the DNC is.
They didn’t want Biden to run, and now they mysteriously don’t want the person most of the party supports to run either.
Right? It’s almost as if they’ve never been approaching any of this in good faith.
You’re telling me someone would just go on the internet an lie?
It’s a massive social hub with influence on all the worlds information. What possible motivation could someone have try to influence people by faking accounts and make bad faith arguments?
Sorry, it just doesn’t add up. Now, you’ve interrupted me hitting myself in the head repeatedly with a hammer and this brain damageisnthgomr e
The uptick in those types of accounts makes this site start to feel like 2016 reddit 😂. Lemmy has become large enough to justify investment of bots to brigade and astroturf; we’ve made it!
You ignore the rest of us who have, weird to only pretend one side exists
I guess I wasn’t talking about you then, was I?
But do please explain why I shouldn’t have ignored the people I wasn’t criticizing when I was criticizing another group. Is this some weird ‘both sides’ thing?
It’s an easy way to group all of someone together and pretend that everyone was the same, when we aren’t.
You pretend like there are only a few people who are like me and that the vast aren’t.
Already happening. They’re testing the waters to see what’s going to stick.
And her past as a prosecutor, and the fact that she lost the primary 4 years ago, and her laugh. In addition to yours, that’s all I’ve seen so far. They ran “Heels up Harris” into the ground several years ago, but I do think it will make a return at some point. It was a shit insult but so are the others they’re trying to use.
Really all they have is a terrible legal gambit to try to keep her off ballots. That one is laughably bad. No deadlines have passed. The idiot at the front of the House said something stupid. I would hammer that until election day. “The Republicans did their best to keep us off the ballot because they hate freedom and democracy. They don’t want you to have a choice. And Trump endorsed Harris. Here’s the check.”
You’d think so, but they already have moved on to “don’t vote for Harris” posts.
I actually was curious about it, so I looked over his posts, and it’s all over the place. Pro-Marianne Williamson, anti-Nancy Pelosi, pro-open convention and by implication anti-“coronation”, criticizing Harris for not being LBGTQ friendly enough…
Actually. You know what, it’s not really all that all over the place. 🙂 It’s just a little bit subtle with the consistent anti-Harris / anti-Democrat message, from different angles, enough so that I didn’t really pick up on it until I started typing them out.
Also I notice Marianne Williamson is starting to edge out Cornel West as the nonsensical candidate to support instead of the candidate that might be able to win the election
Everything they already pinned on Joe (like mainly Israel) they can pin on her because she was part of the same administration. Plus they will now also point at things from her past, like history as a criminal prosecutor, and blame her for that as well. Since that won’t align with progressive criminal reform agenda. And they might call her a race traitor as well, just for good measure. Should be interesting to see what the tankies and communists come up with.
Your argument is bizarre. Please explain why someone wouldn’t use “things from her past” to inform their vote. You use the word “blame” as though she is a victim of her own decisions.
I don’t know a single communist who would call someone a race traitor. That’s nuts and your anger is very misdirected.
I’m not angry about anything. And I’m not sure where you see anger in my post (and therefore how it could be directed at anyone.) I’m making an observation based on what I see here on Lemmy. I even state it will be interesting to see what some lemmies will come up with. No anger here pal. Just observations.
While I never told anyone not to vote for Biden, I definitely openly bitched about him not being capable of speaking and the absolute joke it is. I’m not a fan of Harris, but my God, a sentient adult is amazing.
Who cares. Report on democratic candidates, strengths, weaknesses, policies, etc. I’m so fucking sick of the “news”
MAGAts can fuck off and die.
You guys realize that Biden waited until after the RNC to announce this right? He’s making this as hard as possible for them to pivot. You had hundreds of people in the same city, building strategies for their campaign. He had made sure that Kamala would have the delegates secured to ensure there would be no in-fighting for the next candidate. They did little to stop the media in going down the rabbit hole of the all-consuming news that he should drop out. They used it for their advantage to create a positive whirl wind around Kamala. Truly brilliant.
Nice thought exercise but in reality an old man got COVID and was finally convinced that he was a losing gambit.
That’s not what happened. He had a run of bad luck over a couple of weeks, including getting covid, and then some major donors said they would withdraw support.
I mean he still gets the credit for doing the right thing. He could’ve hung in there until the bitter end… but it’s always about the money.
I believe it was a mistake to pull out this late in the game and think its probably giving Trump the win but seeing how mad republicans get is almost worth it.
I believe it was a mistake to pull out this late in the game and think its probably giving Trump the win
Kamala polls better than Biden in match-ups against trump among every age group except boomers whose kids are trying to get them to surrender their car-keys.
That said, I expect it’s all rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. Turn out among dem voters will probably be lower than in 2020 because that’s what happens when instead of doing what your voters want, you end covid protections, facilitate a genocide, and beat them up for protesting that genocide.
I truly admire your spirit in trying to spin this as a bad thing, but come on man. You don’t even sound like you believe it.
At the time it was frustrating, but in hindsight this was all clearly orchestrated. A brilliant move by the Democrats and an incredible act of patriotism by President Biden. His legacy is secured in perpetuity.
I can’t believe all those stupid anti-biden truck decals etc will be rendered pointless in a matter of months. I better start making anti-Kamala decals if i want to properly capitalize on these next 4 years 🤑
Edit: cry into your fuckin ear-squares ya bunch of sad sacks
Their favorite cheap Chinese manufacturers are already on it, ready to take more of their money.
You can still cash in. There always needs to be the middle man in that scenario, buy em for $3 each. Sell em for $20 at flea markets and fairs.
