This should be the sticking point to invoke the 25th. Officials need to be loud and make a stink about how Trump can’t tell fact from clear fiction and therefore cannot perform the duties of the office. Make the people of America see the image on the news everyday and make those on his side say out loud if they think it’s fake or real. Half of the masses will never be convinced that he lacks the morality to lead until they’re already in his camps. This is the earliest clear as day moment to act on that which cannot be held to subjective scrutiny or partisanship.

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That’s US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and they are.

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I’m not trying to defend the guy at all but those tattoos are not exclusively used by neo-nazis whatsoever and come from the Christian crusades originally. It’s the Jerusalem cross.

I will also say that that drusen cross has been used in some Neo-Nazi symbolism along the way so it’s not really a get out of jail free card either.

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come from the Christian crusades originally

To me, this is equally as bad as Nazi symbology

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Guy just comes over from reddit, uses reddit in his username, and proceeds to explain how the obviously nazi tattoos on the US Secretary of Defence are maybe not obviously nazi tattoos …

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That’s because I READ AND LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS WORLD. Unlike most dumbasses that just read a headline and spew bullshit. I used reddit in my username to claim reddit is dead… so whatever the fuck that means. Go read a book.

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“It’s cool guys, this swastika on my chest is totally just a hindu symbol.”

“I’m just a history buff, even though I have literally shown zero indication that I give a shit about history in any other context”

There is no point in giving context here. The context is a lie. It’s literally the definition of a dog whistle.

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For the record, so nobody misses the point in all this back and forth - yes, someone might wear a jerusalem cross and not be a fascist.

But that’s not what’s happening here, is it? He’s a fascist. He wrote a book called American Crusade in which he called for ripping the arms off his enemies and feeding them to hogs.

Crusade imagery - to him - is violent. Even if it isn’t a symbol of hate to you, it is a symbol of hate to him.

The symbol has a real history but has also been hijacked by fascists. What evidence do I have for this? Plenty, down below! But what more do you need? He’s Exhibit A.

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“I’m just a history buff, even though I have literally shown zero indication that I give a shit about history in any other context”

He has the preamble to the declaration of independence on his other arm lmao. I agree the guy’s most likely a neo Nazi but boy are your arguments dumb.

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You don’t know what army patches and slogans are, but you think it’s a lie lol wow

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Since none of you actually bother to learn anything here’s your spoon feeding session:

The Jerusalem Cross is a Christian symbol, also known as the Crusader’s Cross, consisting of a large central cross (a cross potent) surrounded by four smaller Greek crosses. It is often interpreted as representing the four Evangelists and the spread of the gospel, or the five wounds of Christ. The cross is closely associated with the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre. Here’s a more detailed look: Symbolism: Four Evangelists: . The four smaller Greek crosses are often associated with the four Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Spread of the Gospel: . The arrangement of the crosses can symbolize the spread of the gospel to the four corners of the earth. Five Wounds of Christ: . Some interpretations suggest the five crosses represent the five wounds of Jesus on the cross. Jerusalem: . The Jerusalem Cross is strongly linked to Jerusalem, particularly the Latin Patriarchate and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, which are dedicated to supporting Christianity in the Holy Land. History: Crusades: The Jerusalem Cross gained prominence during the Crusades, particularly with the founding of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Latin Patriarchate: It was adopted as the chief banner of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and is now the emblem of the Latin Patriarchate. Order of the Holy Sepulchre: The cross is the official emblem of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, a Catholic order dedicated to supporting Christianity in the Holy Land. Modern Usage: The Jerusalem Cross continues to be used by various Christian organizations and is also found on the national flag of Georgia and some other Christian contexts. In essence, the Jerusalem Cross is a rich symbol of faith, the Gospel, and the Holy Land, with historical ties to the Crusades and ongoing relevance within various Christian communities…

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There is nothing wrong with categorizing symbols that are used for white supremacy and ethnic cleansing crusades as being “Nazi”.

You don’t need to be a German soldier in the 1930s to be a Nazi. These types of “technically” corrections are not helpful and just play into doubt for people that don’t understand history. Like yourself apparently.

Modern day Nazis aren’t tattooing swastikas. They’re running our businesses and our country.

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I love how all you folks just ignore what I said and have to make some sort of point about it. All I’m talking about it where those symbols come from and they aren’t widely used as modern NEO NAZI (not Nazi) symbolism. I hope nothing but the worst for Nazi’s, NeoNazi’s, and Pete Hegseth. Fuck those people.

The reason I said what I said is that disinformation is and has been dividing us and pitting us all against each other for years. And facts matter. Understanding the history of something doesn’t make you good or evil. It’s just wisdom.

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And a swastika represents “good fortune” and “well-being” in Hindu and other Indian cultures, concepts I would support, but I still wouldn’t get it tattooed on my body because of it’s other meanings.

If this guy is ignorant of the more recent meanings, that is just as troubling as if he knew their modern interpretations. If someone had elaborate Nazi imagery all over their body, and they were truly ignorant of the meanings, I would not think that they possessed the intelligence and judgement to supervise any people or projects.

Whether he knew about it or not, it’s a problem, and this guy is in charge of the Pentagon.

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okay then, let’s stop short and say they’re neo nazi dog whistles then

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Maybe he just really likes ‘crusader kings V’?

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They’re not necessarily all “Neo-Nazi,” but they’re definitely Neo-Nazi adjacent.

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