This should be the sticking point to invoke the 25th. Officials need to be loud and make a stink about how Trump can’t tell fact from clear fiction and therefore cannot perform the duties of the office. Make the people of America see the image on the news everyday and make those on his side say out loud if they think it’s fake or real. Half of the masses will never be convinced that he lacks the morality to lead until they’re already in his camps. This is the earliest clear as day moment to act on that which cannot be held to subjective scrutiny or partisanship.

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“It’s cool guys, this swastika on my chest is totally just a hindu symbol.”

“I’m just a history buff, even though I have literally shown zero indication that I give a shit about history in any other context”

There is no point in giving context here. The context is a lie. It’s literally the definition of a dog whistle.

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For the record, so nobody misses the point in all this back and forth - yes, someone might wear a jerusalem cross and not be a fascist.

But that’s not what’s happening here, is it? He’s a fascist. He wrote a book called American Crusade in which he called for ripping the arms off his enemies and feeding them to hogs.

Crusade imagery - to him - is violent. Even if it isn’t a symbol of hate to you, it is a symbol of hate to him.

The symbol has a real history but has also been hijacked by fascists. What evidence do I have for this? Plenty, down below! But what more do you need? He’s Exhibit A.

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“I’m just a history buff, even though I have literally shown zero indication that I give a shit about history in any other context”

He has the preamble to the declaration of independence on his other arm lmao. I agree the guy’s most likely a neo Nazi but boy are your arguments dumb.

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Lol oh yes, just like diehard 2A advocates. Anyone who references 3 words of the constitution or declaration is clearly a history buff.

Can’t be a nationalist with a 3rd-grade understanding of history. As we all know, only historians get a tattoo of “We the People” on their arm.

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I didn’t say it made him a history buff. I said your argument was dumb. You show up with that argument against anyone who doesn’t already agree with you and you’re going to get reamed.

I’m not defending him. I’m criticizing you.

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You don’t know what army patches and slogans are, but you think it’s a lie lol wow

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Lol right, I forgot that once it becomes consumer merch it’s no longer fascism. Hence the “fuckup 2028” hat.

The history is real. The lie is that it’s about the history at all. It’s about the hatred. Same as it always is with these people. For comparison, see every last confederate flag in the United States.

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Since none of you actually bother to learn anything here’s your spoon feeding session:

The Jerusalem Cross is a Christian symbol, also known as the Crusader’s Cross, consisting of a large central cross (a cross potent) surrounded by four smaller Greek crosses. It is often interpreted as representing the four Evangelists and the spread of the gospel, or the five wounds of Christ. The cross is closely associated with the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre. Here’s a more detailed look: Symbolism: Four Evangelists: . The four smaller Greek crosses are often associated with the four Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Spread of the Gospel: . The arrangement of the crosses can symbolize the spread of the gospel to the four corners of the earth. Five Wounds of Christ: . Some interpretations suggest the five crosses represent the five wounds of Jesus on the cross. Jerusalem: . The Jerusalem Cross is strongly linked to Jerusalem, particularly the Latin Patriarchate and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, which are dedicated to supporting Christianity in the Holy Land. History: Crusades: The Jerusalem Cross gained prominence during the Crusades, particularly with the founding of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Latin Patriarchate: It was adopted as the chief banner of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and is now the emblem of the Latin Patriarchate. Order of the Holy Sepulchre: The cross is the official emblem of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, a Catholic order dedicated to supporting Christianity in the Holy Land. Modern Usage: The Jerusalem Cross continues to be used by various Christian organizations and is also found on the national flag of Georgia and some other Christian contexts. In essence, the Jerusalem Cross is a rich symbol of faith, the Gospel, and the Holy Land, with historical ties to the Crusades and ongoing relevance within various Christian communities…

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Oh sick! I too can put together a technically correct wall of text justifying a symbol ruined by fascism that has no initial fascist roots:


The Hindu swastika, known in Sanskrit as svastika (स्वस्तिक), is an ancient and sacred symbol that predates many modern religions and is deeply woven into the spiritual and cultural fabric of Hinduism. Etymologically, svastika is derived from the root “su” (meaning “good” or “well”) and “asti” (“to be”), together forming a word that can be interpreted as “that which is associated with well-being” or simply “auspicious.” The swastika has been used in the Indian subcontinent for over 5,000 years, with archaeological examples appearing as early as the Indus Valley Civilization (c. 2500 BCE), long before its appropriation in modern history.

In Hinduism, the swastika is a symbol of auspiciousness, prosperity, and good fortune. It represents the eternal nature of Brahman, the ultimate reality or universal soul in Hindu thought, and the cyclical nature of life, death, and rebirth (samsara). The symbol is deeply connected to cosmic order (ṛta) and balance. It is often drawn during rituals, festivals, and on temple entrances, doorways, and sacred objects to invoke divine blessings and protect against negative influences. It is also a common sight in Hindu weddings, religious ceremonies, and housewarmings, where it sanctifies the space and denotes sacred intent.

Understanding the Hindu swastika requires acknowledging it as one of the world’s oldest sacred symbols, one that has long represented cosmic harmony, divine presence, and the pursuit of spiritual well-being. To reduce it solely to its modern misappropriation is to obscure millennia of profound spiritual meaning, making it essential to distinguish and respect its original, deeply rooted cultural context.


Now let’s all go tattoo swastikas on our bodies; you go first!

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You are comparing something that is widely prevalent in Nazism (a swastika, FAMOUS symbolism) to something that most people couldn’t identify with a gun to their head. Not the same context.

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Aw, cute wall of text. Thanks for providing nothing of value. Now do the swastika.

I know the context. It’s still a lie. People with that cross on their chest don’t give a shit about its actual history. Dog whistles involve barely plausible deniability, like the distant origins of nazi symbols.

Enjoy defending fascists though.

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None of those tats are neo-nazi affiliated lmao

If you think that the army patch and the slogan “Ne desit virtus” are Nazi affiliated, you’re an idiot.

“We the People”? It’s in the preamble in the constitution.

And because he has Christian symbols, that makes him a fascist Nazi?

Wow. And you think maga is a cult.

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I’m not defending fascism, I’m talking about symbolism and how it’s perverted and misconstrued. How about you supply evidence for YOUR argument instead of just pointing fingers and calling people names like a child?

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