I’m of two minds:
- I find the ‘cis’ label offensive. That’s my right.
- I find this guy offensive. That’s also my right.
(If you want to know who says I don’t get rights, look at the downvotes. They disagree with one of those. You pick)
It literally means “not trans” my dude. Do you get offended when people call you human?
Female literally means egg holding human. Do peeps get offended being called female?
Oh shit. Is language fucking social? Jesus. Motherfuckers think gender is social but language is concrete apparently.
FOH
Do peeps get offended being called female?
Yes. It’s scientific language usually used to insult women. IE; men and females.
I think it’s disingenuous to argue that is the only usage of it. Plenty of words have colloquial meanings. There’s plenty of assholes out there who use it venemously. Like a racist saying “He’s black” when they mean the n word. “Fuck off and die, cishet!”
There has been a lot of shit on Twitter and Tumblr outright calling for genocide of cis people. Forced sterilization. Saying that if you are a cis white male you inherently are a bad person. A rapist. Etc. Etc.
It’s bullshit lashing out, and doesn’t truly amount to anything. That said, it can wear on you to be vilified for what you were born as, for things you can’t control.
Huh, imagine that.
It strikes me as particularly ridiculous when this is brought up, there usually are a lot of responses along the lines of “Well now you know what we’ve dealt with!” “Poor majority person is suddenly hurt when they’re treated the same way they’ve been treating the rest of us” etc.
I don’t think many people miss that point. But it’s still a shitty thing to do, and it can feel like gaslighting attempts when reasonable people make responses like yours.
“Negro literally means black, do you get offended when people call you the color of your skin?” … let’s start the countdown to people falling over themselves to say it’s not the same. It isn’t the same, but the parallels should give you pause. Hopefully cause some thought.
Does that mean that if enough of a minority of people use a neutral word with ill intent, other people should be careful of using that word? For instance, if a bunch of racists started using the word “black” venomously day and night for months, should everyone else start considering the word “black” to be a slur? What if it’s a term that’s otherwise used by scholars with ample consensus? And if there’s no other other to refer to it, and by avoiding it, you cannot refer to the concept at all?
“There has been a lot of shit on Twitter and Tumblr outright calling for genocide of cis people. Forced sterilization. Saying that if you are a cis white male you inherently are a bad person. A rapist. Etc. Etc”
Believe me I know how crazy people on twitter can get, and I’ve definitely seen those crazies in action. But they are going to act crazy towards their chosen scapegoat for their problems regardless of the word we’ve chosen to describe those people.
“It’s bullshit lashing out, and doesn’t truly amount to anything. That said, it can wear on you to be vilified for what you were born as, for things you can’t control.”
I 100% understand and empathize with this and will not argue or counter it in any way. I mean no gaslighting and I apologize if it feels like what I said was heading in that direction.
On your last point: for a while Negro WAS the appropriate word to use, and now it’s Black (or if you’re American “African American”) and while it isnt appropriate anymore, we have a word that is that fills its usecase. People dont Identify as Cis (and on that point most dont identify as trans), they identify as Male/Female/etc, and cis and trans are categories based on whether your identity matches your sex or not. As of right now, cis is the word we have for when it matches, we dont really have any other words in common parlance that describe that in 1 word, and further the extreme end of Tumblr and Twitter doesnt care which word we use when they dehumanize the percieved majority, they are going to continue being assholes to those they dont feel dont place on their oppression heirarchy regardless of the word we use
Those people are going to do the same thing regardless of what the word is. What you’re asking for is just to put it on the euphemism treadmill
Reasonable, nobody should have to accept a label they don’t ascribe to themselves.
Bruh. We use labels to sort shit. Abstraction is how we deal with complexity. Choose your own labels, but how others see you isn’t up to you. You’ve got no ownership of other peep’s heads.
Do you find all the other labels that can be used to describe yourself offensive, or just this one?
Like are you offended by being called a human or homo sapien? Are you offended by being described by your skin color or race? Sexual preference? I just find it weird to single out the one label for no apparent reason.
How would you suggest we describe people that aren’t trans or non-binary in a way that wouldn’t offend you for whatever reason? As uncomfortable as it may be for you, gender identity is a thing, and the rest of the world is going to use that word to describe people. It would probably be best for you to just get over it.
Why are some women unhappy with being referred to as female? It’s biologically accurate, yeah? Obviously can’t be offensive.
You understand why some people find being called cis a problem, you just don’t want to accept it ideologically. That’s fine. Don’t try to drag others to your viewpoint for bullshit reasons.
I understand that some women don’t want to be called female when they are not cisgendered.
I just don’t understand why a cisgendered person would have a problem being referred to as such, unless they were unsure if they were cis, or were bothered by the topic of gender identity as a whole.
If its the former, than I can understand, but if its the latter, then that’s a you problem, and I don’t care if you are offended being called cis.
