From a purely numbers standpoint, aren’t they kind of fight?
Not many gay people were “out” in the 90s. Tons of gay people out today.
So from a recordable numbers standpoint, the number of known gay people HAS gone up drastically since then.
I think the bigger question to that fear mongering would be:
“Yeah? And?”
What numbers database are you referencing? Is there a GayTaBank somewhere that I need to know about?
I said it multiple times. The census. They know which areas have whom living where. They track all that. And they track when people move in or out, but not context as to why. So from their perspective there’s this sudden burst over 20 years of gay people popping up, not realizing they didn’t just pop up, or suddenly turn gay. They’ve always been there, just not recorded as such. So now they have to find ways to explain that. This coming from the same people who explain what happens on this planet as being done by an invisable man in the sky, who controls everything, has all knowledge of all things at all times, but somehow just can’t balance a budget He needs money. Always needs money. 10% of your income has to go to the sky man to pay for clouds or something. It’s never explained why these tax exempt churches need so much money.
…and these are the people explaining these shifts in numbers to roughly half the country. Now despite the fact that I would NOT say that half the country is homophobic, their leaders sure are! So even if they personally have nothing against gay people, their politicians used scare tactics for years trying to condition their base to be homophobic. The problem is, they aren’'t. At least not overwhelming majorities. So the gay people started coming out. But that goes against the leaders talking points. They couldn’t have been gay the whole time, because that would mean they were wrong. If they’re wrong, then they have no political power. And so now they have to explain the census data.
There’s tons of gay people, coast to coast, and there’s no appocolypse. There’s no great doom. Nothing happened. And that threatens their position.
My god, the downvotes. Had the same thought. No one was out in the 80s and 90s, I was there. I can see idiots thinking people were converted, hence the rise in numbers.
I think the vast majority of people are saying, “Yeah? And?” People generally don’t give a shit any longer. Notice the conservatives aren’t banging the gay-hate drum and have pivoted to trans people?
They’re not right because they numbers didn’t go up from conversion. They went up because people could admit who they are without fear of violence. The true number didn’t change, we just became capable of getting a more accurate count.
I understood you. I don’t think it’s you, there are many who were never trained in deductive reasoning. It sucks because it limits effective communication.
No, it isn’t. You responded to a comment about conversion and are making it sound like conversion was successful.
Right, I think this is the point that the above comment is making as well. That the numbers of publicly/out gay people went up because of a more accurate count thanks to a less hostile sociopolitical climate.
I think the point that’s being confused in that comment is that the fear mongering was obviously bullshit, and modern bigots pointing at any increase in LGBTQ+ identification nowadays may continue to use those statistics as justification for anti-LGBTQ+ platforms. Instead of engaging that argument that the hate mongers have always known is in bad faith, it’s much more to the point nowadays to make them explain what they think is wrong with increased LQBTQ+ identification, or as the original comment put it, “Yeah, and?”
…you’re either an idiot, or trolling. Either way, you deserve the downvotes.
How am I an idiot for saying that census data shows more people admitting to being gay, and it not being a problem?
You tripped in a circle jerk and got taken out of context or just misunderstood and pounced on. I am pretty sure everyone in this chain is pro-LGBT or at the very least not homophobic. When passions are high and people are defending a cause close to them, the internet has them trained to go off on a hair-trigger. I catch myself doing it too. Sometimes it is justified when an actual shithead comes in and says some evil stuff, but the friendly fire can be just as brutal. I got banned from a subreddit (and ended up leaving reddit mostly), because a mod that likely shares ideologies with me permabanned me for “being racist” for using the word “criminal” (which they read as “black”). The one person in my life that means everything to me, is black…I am 99% sure I am not racist, and she would SO TELL ME if I was! 🤣 Don’t take it personally, and don’t let the overzealous push you away.
Because it’s not that they were “fight” (sic), but that people aren’t as afraid to be honest.
