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#womeninmalefields is describing common situations and phrases that women experience and turning them upside down by switching genders.

The analogy to this one would be a man telling a surgeon to surgically tighten a woman’s vagina after giving birth. This is a common and disgusting joke.

Jesus Christ, what kind of sick person comes up with stuff like that?

Sick people that’s who.

Ok but in this case it’s men, specifically. That is what the hashtag is about.

Huh, and here all the men I know have never even the slightest bit upset about broad generalizing statements about men because they are secure in the knowledge that the statement doesn’t apply to them… Sounds like a skill issue tbh.

That’s very generalising though.

Personally, I try to avoid that whenever possible.

Good on you.

It’s not generalising tho, these women describe situations they have experienced.

When this was invented, the majority of doctors were men.

It’s not generalizing if it’s true.

I worked for a man that thought it would be a funny thing to say soon after the delivery.

Look, I’m a guy. I laughed, until his (now ex) said that he actually said it.

I mean come on. It’s funny as a joke, you don’t ACTUALLY say that to a delivery nurse, my god.

Yeah, people who act like it could never be funny are insufferable and people who actually do it are psychos.

After the mother gives birth to a healthy baby boy, the father leans to the doctor and whispers “how long until we can have sex?”. The doctor replies, “I clock off at 3.”

Thanks for explaining it, wouldn’t have understood it otherwise.

Common and disgusting, but unfortunately not always a joke. You probably know this but for the benefit of others who may not be aware, the Husband Stitch is a real thing that used to be pretty commonly done regardless of what the woman wanted and often without her foreknowledge or consent. It’s an extra stitch or two placed when sewing a woman back up after a vaginal tear or episiotomy during labor. The purpose is to make the woman “tighter” so her husband can still enjoy having sex with her even though she’s given birth, which is staggeringly misogynistic and cruel. And it usually results in really painful sex for the woman because her vaginal opening is artificially small plus now it has inflexible scar tissue. It’s a horrific thing to do to a woman, especially after giving birth.

Thank you for providing additional information!

still enjoy having sex with her

If you need that to enjoy your partner you don’t deserve them. That disgusting

Another thing to note is that the episiotomy itself is no longer a recommended procedure for routine births. The incision lengthens recovery time and brings complications of its own.

Unfortunately, medical violence is a thing and many professionals, even when saying the episiotomy is a decision for the woman, put it in such a way that the message conveyed is that the episiotomy makes giving birth easier and quicker. What is witheld is that it makes it easier for them.

Giving birth was turned into a surgical event, when it is only a phisiological one.

Speaking as someone who would have been stillborn if not for a C-section, there are some surgical procedures that are kind of important.

A C-section is a surgical act and extremely important as it has the potential to save lifes, both of mothers and children.

The matter at hand is not about deeming all medical acts performed during a delivery as useless but to acknowledge that many are performed routinely without need and even without the agreement, previous information or consent of the woman and mother to be.

One such is that oh-so-important act being routenily abused, with doctors pushing it to women with the argument that it is the safest way to plan the delivery. But planning a delivery is only a concern for the physician. If a pregnancy is normal under all aspects and there are no telling signs the delivery will be complicated, why point women to an unnecessary surgical act?

“If a … is normal under all aspects and there are no telling signs the … will be complicated, why point … to an unnecessary surgical act?”

Minzdrav, is that you? /j

Americans, please, for love of everyone you love, nationalize your healthcare.

Giving birth was turned into a surgical event, when it is only a phisiological one.

How can a woman give birth without the machine that goes PING?

Seventh. Or you mean the machine?

I was under the impression it was forthe woman’s benefit, that it is easier for a cut to heal than a tear. Is that not the case? Is the risk of tearing overblown?

I think you actually have that backward. In general, a jagged tear heals quicker than an incision because there is more surface area in contact between the two pieces, so a larger number of cells can be working to repair the tissue. That said, I’m not a doctor and it’s been 10 years since my wife and I looked into this before our first kid, so I may be misremembering.

Nope, you got it right: my wife had to c-sections and afaik they cut just enough tissue to make possible to tear it apart. It healed very well.

Glad your wife healed well; my wife had three c-sections and the first one was done by a very old-school OB in an emergency situation, so she never stood a chance. That said, even old-school c-sections are better than my wife and son dying in childbirth, so I’m still grateful for modern medicine, but it would have been nice if it was a little more “modern”

It’s not about the surface area, a tear heals without creating a straight line of inflexible scar tissue in flexible tissue. You recover faster and better, because you distribute the new connections throughout the tissue, you don’t have this one rigid perforation to tear, so you don’t have to be healed up all the way before you can get back on your feet

In general, it’s the opposite though - a sharp cut heals much faster than a rip, there’s far less damage to repair

Thanks for the explanation!

You recover faster and better, because you distribute the new connections throughout the tissue, you don’t have this one rigid perforation to tear, so you don’t have to be healed up all the way before you can get back on your feet

Isn’t this a function of the surface area, though?

These days, an epesiotomy is done to direct the tear. If the tear is allowed to happen spontaneously, it can go through nerves, arteries, and pelvic floor muscles, greatly increasing the chances of permanent problems with things like prolapses or fistulas at worst, and more commonly, long term problems with incontinence.

… Jesus fucking Christ…

Yep, a useful comment. I had no idea about such a thing.

To add to your “for the benefit of others” explanation, this is also not a historical relic. It’s still happening.

I work with refugees and a lot of women escaping fundie warzones are living with variations of this nightmare. So much mutilation, as little girls, preteens, post-giving-birth… Infections are common, tearing is common, and sex is torture. I’ve been doing this job long enough that I recognize the walk.

Unholy fuckery! This makes me glad to live in country, where to get an operation you need to visit 9001 doctors and get 100500 approvals.

That joke should be grounds for immediate divorce

Thanks for explaining it

Not just a joke. It’s a thing that used to be more common but is still sometimes done.

I had a doctor straight-faced tell an entire class of college students about it, and how it was a good thing. This was within the last 15 years. I would bet it is still far more common we’d want to imagine.

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