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90 points

People not voting for Harris because of Gaza need to avoid watching the debate, otherwise they’ll change their minds. No matter how bad things are, they can get worse.

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-104 points

Why is it always ‘voters need to lower their standards’, and never ‘candidates need to be decent human beings’?

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87 points

Because we have an unjust voting system, and petulantly refusing to vote can and will get people killed, and rights stripped from millions.

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-71 points

Why do you only frame the issue in terms of the voters’ responsibilities, and never in terms of the candidate’s responsibilities?

Why aren’t the politicians the ones who need to make hard choices? Why can’t they get wedged on the issues for once?

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56 points

Who is the best alternative to Harris right now? Do I think she’s perfect? No. Do I think she’s the best alternative to Trump? Yes. We don’t have a super progressive candidate that stands a chance of winning in this race, we picked Biden in the primary, he stepped back and now we have Harris. The system sucks, but that’s what we have until voters put candidates in place to change the system.

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-61 points

That’s not the question.

The question should be what choice does Harris have, except to stop Israel?

If (as I strongly agree) trump is the worst human on the planet who will cause irreparable damage to :gestures wildly: fucking everything, then why doesn’t his opponent have the responsibility to do whatever the hell it takes, within the law to keep him out of power?

Especially as in this instance his opponent is currently sworn to be responsible for the ongoing welfare of the nation.

Imagine being so fucking intent on enabling genocide half a planet away that you’d rather let your own country fall into the hands of Camacho Harkonnen rather than attract progressive voters.

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53 points

Because having a tantrum because reality does not conform to your sense of fairness not only accomplishes fuck-all, but actively makes things worse.

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47 points

Because when you let perfect become the enemy of good, you end up with neither.

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3 points

It’s literally named the Nirvana Fallacy and yet people double down on it like it’s the best decision they’ve ever made.

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21 points

instead of whining about voting for somebody you don’t absolutely love all aspects of, why don’t you use your time advocating to change the voting system so that you can vote for somebody else meaningfully.

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7 points
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Because voters choose their own behavior but not the candidates’ positions.

This really can’t be the first time you’ve heard of changing the things you can and accepting things you can’t change.

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2 points

Also, voters can absolutely change a candidate’s position. The fact that people want us to vote for Harris, and not Biden, is proof of that.

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7 points

Why do you think people still fall for the, “I’m just asking questions” routine?

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6 points

Because the world is imperfect and politicians will always disappoint you.

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-10 points

Because Liberals have always been spineless and will continue to be. There is a parasocial worshiping dynamic how they interact with people in power. Harris just praised a Dick Cheney endorsement. There is no red line for them.

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-151 points

Still not voting for genocide.

If things get worse, we’ll just have to do something other than vote won’t we?

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56 points
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What, are you gonna be on the front lines with your guns shooting? The overwhelming majority of people with this mindset have never held a firearm in their entire lives and have no idea what they’re even talking about. What are you even insinuating here? Is your end goal that we burn the entire country down because “wahhhhh both sides aren’t perfect”? Grow up, only children refuse to see greater good through compromise because they can’t see past not getting what they want. Single issue voters love to stick their head in the sand and pretend the one issue that they’re whinging about is the most important in the world.

Have fun standing on your “genocide” comment when you’re in a fascist dictatorship run by nazis. “but but but the genocide wah”

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-54 points

I’m insinuating that we can become ungovernable and force the government to capitulate to our demands. Mass protest, general strike, public disruptions, boycott, we have options to fight back.

Instead of just voting every couple years.

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31 points

Have you seen the debate?

Harris’s policy is a two-state solution. A ceasefire that by definition ends the genocide.

Trump’s solution is to, no joke, entirely wipe out Palestine.

How is this in any way comparable? You HAVE your anti-genocide option right now!

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16 points

Guess you’re not voting then.

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-25 points

I was going to write in Aaron Bushnell for President but I think I’ll vote PSL

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15 points

God this take is such a loser position. “Fine, I’ll just take my ball and play a different sport!”

Guess what dummy, you’re playing soccer with these Yahoos whether you like it or not so pick a fucking side and THEN ALSO DO MORE."

…burn the fucking barn down with the animals in it, ya dumb bystander…

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Guess what dummy, you’re playing soccer with these Yahoos whether you like it

Yeah, actually a lot of us are very aware of the game and how it’s played. Are you? You know most of us aren’t in swing states, right? So what is my protest vote going to affect again? My vote already doesn’t matter in a presidential election. It’s literally never mattered as long as I’ve been a voting adult.

or not so pick a fucking side and THEN ALSO DO MORE."

Yeah I have picked a side. The anti-capitalist side. Which of these parties are anti -capitalist, again?

99% of y’all are calling out this user saying they’ll “do nothing and be smug” instead of voting, but y’all are just gonna vote blue and similarly be smug, do nothing, but continue to run defense for millionaires and one of the most powerful capitalist political parties in the world.

At least this user won’t be doing the latter.

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14 points

Democracy exist so we don’t have to reach that point, please, go vote.

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-21 points

Democracy exist

Half the presidents in my lifetime lost the popular vote.

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11 points

No hard feelings when I get the order to round up your kids to put into the camps after Führer Trump gives the signal, right? I’ll just be following orders, and don’t worry, work will set you free someday! I’m sure the dead Palestinians from our nuclear launch will thank you from the afterlife for sticking it to The Man.

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10 points

Aaaaaand that’s a block

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7 points

Did you need to read past the .ml?

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5 points

Genocide isn’t on the ballet

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It is if you don’t vote for the two genocidal candidates. There are non genocidal choices, even if they’re just protest votes.

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3 points

As much as I want us to do something more than wash a finger at Netanyahu, there is not the support for anything more than voting for that.

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1 point

Voting for either side is voting for Genocide. Not voting or voting third party when you’re left wing is voting for Trump which is genocide with extra bad things sprinkled on top. I’d say don’t kid yourself but I suspect that horse has already bolted

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1 point

If you don’t want to vote for genocide you need to move to a different country, because that’s never gonna change

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-27 points

I’m right where I need to be. 😉

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-6 points

“Still not voting for genocide”

You say as you side with Hamas who openly calls for the genocide of the Jewish race.

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-15 points

They don’t do that these days, and all the people that did are dead at this point. The lifespan for Palestinians is pretty short.

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