Summary

The Atlantic has published unredacted attack plans (non-paywall link) shared in a Signal group chat of senior Trump officials, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, and DNI Tulsi Gabbard.

Editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg released the full texts after officials denied sharing war plans or classified information, arguing transparency was necessary amid accusations of dishonesty.

The leaked messages detailed U.S. military strikes targeting Houthis in Yemen.

154 points

The Atlantic putting a paywall on this when they got the texts for free from a government handout is peak America…

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13 points

Turn JS off to “bypass” it

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15 points

OP linked an archive link, and updated the post to have it.

But I clicked it before and had the same reaction as if I opened a box labeled “dead dove”.

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47 points

Good journalism is very expensive to produce. You got to pay for it somehow.

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32 points

Exactly why I used to subscribe to the Washington Post until Bezos wiped his ass with it. I’ll have to look into subscribing to The Atlantic now.

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6 points

Yeah I’m considering dumping NYT too. I heard Reuters was a better ‘investment’. Please someone tell me if that’s wrong. I don’t want to support Billionaires.

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5 points

I have been The Atlantic subscriber for about 5 years now. I think it has pretty great writers on staff. Their physical subscription is pretty cheap too.

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I’m not disagreeing in a general sense, but it’s funny to make that argument here when this info basically fell into the journalist’s lap. Very little actual journalism went into making this story possible

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But think of how much money is going to be needed for the security detail this guy is gonna need for the foreseeable future. Or the costs of retaining legal representation to help him navigate through what is guaranteed to be an endless sea of investigations, frivilous lawsuits, etc. that the Trump administration is guaranteed to launch until something sticks.

I wouldn’t be getting on any planes any time in the near future if I were him either.

This story may have fallen into his lap, but it sure as hell wasn’t free.

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1 point

This was a gift given to the Atlantic, though. I guess you gotta milk it for what it’s worth.

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JG got the texts for free but he’s probably gonna need someone watching his 6 now. And I’m pretty sure a lawyer is billing for helping them figure out how to publish the details and still avoid getting trapped into anything illegal, like naming the CIA agent.

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8 points

Nah, the guilty parties already told congress nothing the texts did not contain classified material, so releasing them should be fine. It’s not like this administration would suddenly change its mind now, surely.

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Government official work => no copyright?

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At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

  • •“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
  • •“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”

Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

  • •“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
  • •“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
  • •“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
  • •“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
  • •“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
  • •“Godspeed to our Warriors.”
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28 points

“We are currently clean on opsec”

Not anymore you ain’t

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26 points

If they were using Signal on personal phones, an unofficial channel on unofficial devices, they already weren’t, even before they accidentally included a journalist in the chat.

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2 points

Clearly, they never were.

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“We are currently clean on OPSEC” - man leaking information on a non-official channel while cosplaying as a military leader.

My daughter’s daycare is more stringent on OPSEC for christ’s sake.

It’s like an email with a “If you’re not the intended recipient please don’t read and dispose of this message” footer levels of OPSEC.

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15 points

Team Stupid

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🇺🇸🌏👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀🌌

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2 points

What does Ohio have to do with this?

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12 points

Pretty well contradicts the testimony of Gabbard about no specifics

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15 points

The US military got so lucky here.

They’re lucky that the incompetence was exposed so early in the administration. Signal isn’t allowed on government phones, apparently, so this was all done with personal devices. We’ve already seen how many people have compromised phones with something like Pegasus installed. This is why secure government phones exist in the first place. Who knows how long some foreign spy agency might have been reading the group chat if they hadn’t done such a stupid leak.

They’re lucky that the guy accidentally included in the group chat was a responsible journalist, not some rando who’d stay in the group chat and just keep leaking this stuff, or someone who might have chosen to sell access to China or North Korea or something.

They’re lucky that the target was Houthi rebels, and not a near-peer nation state. Even with hours of advance warning, the Houthis probably wouldn’t have been able to shoot down F-18s. But 3+ hours is plenty of time for a more advanced enemy to set up an ambush.

Can you imagine how it feels to be one of the F-18 pilots reading this article, knowing how close you could have come to getting killed?

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Trump has always carried a personal phone, which he has always refused to allow intelligence agencies to sweep for spyware. Every bad actor in the world knows what he says the instant he says it.

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Gabbard testified that she couldnt recall if weapons systems (F-18s, Strike Drones) were mentioned, and she also testified that targets werent identified, yet the transcript reveals thatbthe target was a specific person, not a group or encampment.

She either lied/ covered up, or is so incompetent she didn’t understand what a weapons system is or what constitutes a target. Or both.

My money is on both.

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The texts really highlight how much more dangerous Vance would be

He’s Yale educated and put with his wife to become a “power couple” by the freaking “Tiger Mom” who’s a Yale professor who gets lots of up and coming conservatives clerkships up to even the SC. Including Usha Vance with multiple now SC justices.

He’s not some hillbilly bumpkin, he’s incredibly dangerous, like the HW Bush to Reagan.

That’s why I hate people always focusing on trump. trump is the distraction just like Reagan, both god awful humans aware of what they’re doing, but not the ones really calling the shots, and the most replaceable of all the pieces.

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Would people do what Vance told them to do though?

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He’s a couch fucker, but he’s undeniably got more charisma than HW, and HW still beat Dukakis…

History rhymes bro

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election

Which is easy when the last names never change I guess.

Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts had been considered a potential candidate, but he ruled himself out of the race in the fall of 1985. Two other politicians mentioned as possible candidates, both from Arkansas, did not join the race: Senator Dale Bumpers and Governor and future President Bill Clinton. Joe Biden’s campaign also ended in controversy after he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.[32] The Dukakis campaign secretly released a video in which Biden was filmed repeating a Kinnock stump speech with only minor modifications.[33] Biden later called his failure to attribute the quotes an oversight, and in related proceedings the Delaware Supreme Court’s Board on Professional Responsibility cleared him of a separate plagiarism charge, leveled for plagiarizing an article during his law school.[34] This ultimately led him to drop out of the race. Dukakis later revealed that his campaign had leaked the tape, and two members of his staff resigned. Biden later ran twice more for the Democratic nomination, unsuccessfully in 2008 and successfully in 2020. He was inaugurated as the 47th vice president in 2009, serving two terms under President Barack Obama. In 2021, he became the 46th president, over 33 years after his first campaign for the office ended.

Al Gore, a senator from Tennessee, chose to run for the nomination. Turning 40 in 1988, he would have been the youngest man to contest the presidency on a major party ticket since William Jennings Bryan in 1896, and the youngest president ever if elected, younger than John F. Kennedy at election age and Theodore Roosevelt at age of assumption of office. He eventually became the 45th Vice President of the United States under Bill Clinton, then the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000, losing to George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush’s son.

My point being, the Vance’s are going to potentially be around another 30-40 years.

It took Biden 40 years to be VP, and a decade more to be president.

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He’s not some hillbilly bumpkin, he’s incredibly dangerous, like the HW Bush to Reagan.

A one-term president who may have been much smarter than his predecessor but lacked the charisma and wasn’t able to get much done as a result.

JD Vance is much smarter, but there’s only one god emperor in this cult. If Trump died, the GOP would suddenly lack a focal point and would go back to infighting and chaos.

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You have zero idea about either of them…

But are very proud of your opinion it seems

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So if Vance takes over, will you then have a ottoman empire?

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This is beyond bat shit nutz. We gotta throw these idiots in prison NOW. There’s so much more in those texts and 3 times more people involved. Also these dumb fucks lied under oath yesterday! Can’t be trusted, way under qualified and they’re territorial to this country. What happened to “common sense”? Always fucking Opposite Day with these clowns. Throw them in prison!

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Ideally, yes, you’re right. But… gestures broadly at United States judiciary it doesn’t seem likely, unfortunately.

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Time to start bringing the fight to them. https://www.mobilize.us/ Online voice doesn’t go as far. Start protesting.

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Given that these are military-related crimes, would it not be the courts-martial that should be arresting and prosecuting them rather than the regular judiciary? I’m not American and I’m not sure how it works over there, but I did watch “A Few Good Men”

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Not American either, but it shouldn’t be court martial offenses given that they’re not military officers, but civilians filling politically appointed positions. Court martial trials are for servicemembers.

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Why do y’all want the people failing at being evil to be replaced with people who will competently be evil?

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Why do you want the people DOING EVIL to NOT BE PUNISHED?

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20 points

They shouldn’t be doing any of that on Signal anyway.

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My favorite quote is the one where he says it could leak lol

“…If this leaks we look indecisive”

Try incompetent beyond reason. This clown world is funny if people weren’t dying.

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Also this:

Pete Hegseth, after broadly describing the big picture situation/rationale for the strike, that same block of text you pulled the ‘we look indecisive’ from:

But, we can easily pause. And if we do, I will do all we can to enforce 100% OPSEC.

… I don’t even know what to say.

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He said he would do all he can.

We know what his best is now.

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Of course… the main thing is how they look not what good they do. It’s unforgiveable

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