cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17672200
Good going. Let’s argue and divide the Democrats when it needs unity the most.
jacobin doesn’t want unity; jacobin wants to elect far right republicans.
also because most of the terminally online far left agree with the far right. which is why most of them are transphobic and anti-immigrant af.
Reluctantly, I gave the piece a fair shake.
It’s garbage. We know that the DNC pushed other more moderate candidates out so that a more moderate candidate, one the average democratic voter and independent thinks they want, could win instead of them all splitting the vote. This was obvious, not some conspiracy theory.
The author of the piece is trying to claim that because one person said they chose a candidate that could beat sanders, that was the ultimate goal. But they wanted to beat sanders because they felt he couldn’t beat trump. They quote one person effectively saying this, but then dishonestly spin it.
The second quote is one person saying that he thinks sanders policies are bad, as if this proves anything.
It’s amazing anyone reads this site without realizing how terrible it is.
We held our noses and voted for him despite everything we knew in 2020. What did that get us? A genocide halfway across the world.
This time around I decided to believe Biden when he says he is a Zionist. He demonstrated it over 30,000 times so far.
I still remember on October 6th when Biden said “fuck all those Palestinians, murder them all.”
It wasn’t because of the actions of a terrorist group that sparked a disproportionate response at all.
Collective Punishment is a war crime and against international law. So was the blockade and occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. Palestinians aren’t resisting out of nothing and their resistance is legal per international law.
If this is the position most liberals hold, I see no reason why Arab and Muslim Americans should vote for a party that demonizes them anyways.
Now we don’t know if Biden ever said that about Palestinians on October 6th but he did say it about Lebanese in 1982. So I know that he at least believes it and his actions show it.
Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.
https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
“Oh man this is very inconvenient to the echo chamber. Please move on everyone nothing to see here”
Left: It sure is a huge problem that there’s such a bipartisan effort in Washington to be corporate trash
Lemmy: YEAH FUCK THE DEMOCRATS
Left: I think we should get involved, maybe we could do campaign finance reform or get rid of FPTP or strengthen the progressive wing of the Democrats, or idk, fuckin something, this is horrible
Lemmy: LET’S LET THE FASCIST WIN
Everything in all caps is what centrists see when they encounter anything not in all caps.
I must have missed your extensive explanation about how the Democrats are good, or we must not let the fascist win. Want to give me the cliffs notes version? Or just link me to it? I’d be happy to hear.
Why? You’ll just do what you always do and assume that anything other than “Biden is perfect and young and I fucking love how he’s supporting genocide! Gosh, I can’t wait until the last Palestinian is dead!” means “I WANT TRUMP TO WIN BECAUSE I’M A BOT!”
What a bunch of BS
The corporate democrats pulling off the masks once again. Now that Joe Biden is pro labour they want to throw him under the bus as well.
Biden claiming to be pro labor makes his as pro labor as trump saying he’s pro Christian.
He was the first president to join a picket line
Not sure his interactions with the rail unions support him being “pro labor”
Not sure any of the Biden stans actually care whether he’s actually progressive, they just like the aesthetic of framing the anti-Biden sentiment as “the elites”. Because calling Biden not only progressive, but so progressive the system is rebelling against him, is laughable.
We didn’t need them to admit it, and Bernie endorsed Biden just the other day. It wouldn’t surprise me if Biden were being pushed out the exact same way for being “too progressive.” The fact that the left wing of the DNC has been supporting him suggests this is the case.
That’s odd because the only reason there’s leverage to remove Biden is because the party thought he wasn’t progressive enough in terms of Gaza.
Removing him because of his terrible debate is only politically feasible for Democrats because he has been losing in head-to-head polls since almost exactly October 7th.
I think AOC and Sanders are probably thinking of something else. My hunch, is they assume Republicans will challenge the existence of any Democrat on the ballot not named Joe Biden for some sort of rules violation, the decision will go to the Supreme Court, and the court will decide on returning 45 to the White House.
I think they just know that they’re not the voices that could ever convince Joe Biden’s ego to stand down, and if he holds on they’d be the ones to suffer most for rebellion.
