Isn’t one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it’s near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I’d wager some companies feel like they won’t survive if they don’t keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.
Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.
The capitalist way.
Browsers I tried yesterday (on Linux):
- Zen: neat, but the UI is too different for my taste
- Floorp: also neat, but features I don’t use
- Waterfox: sweet spot for me
Librewolf and Waterfox seem pretty similar on paper. I went with Waterfox cuz idk. So far, Waterfox seems to be a drop-in replacement. I haven’t noticed any problems with websites and haven’t run into any bugs.
One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳
Zen: is Firefox
Floorp: is Firefox
Waterfox: is Firefox
Librewolf: is Firefox
They are all dependent on Mozilla and its choices.
There is some degree of independence. For example, if Mozilla releases some super evil patch tomorrow, I’m pretty sure everyone would just patch it out immediately. In fact, this is what most derivatives seem to do, patch out the ad/telemetry stuff.
But yeah, these are all modified Firefox browsers. Hopefully, nobody was thinking these were unique, new, browsers.
There is currently no comptetive engine that isn’t owned/developed by a big company. Ladybird is slowly getting there, but it’s gonna take a while. Until then gecko engine is OK for now. It’s all opensource so we know when that’s no longer the case.
Is waterfox independent of system1 now?
ETA: they are apparently: www.farside.link/reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/14phsyl/a_new_chapter_for_waterfox/
Here is the link without the need to open reddit. https://www.waterfox.net/blog/a-new-chapter-for-waterfox/
One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
I tend to go with Flathub before the AUR, if available. 👍
I tend to go with Flathub before the AUR, if available.
This is the correct way to Linux in 2025
Cool. Could you elaborate? Because I only do this because of some kind of gut feeling… 😅
Not for firefox, critical firefox security feature not available in flatpak: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1756236
What happened to proton?
Their Swiss CEO decided that supporting an authoritarian American neo nazi regime was a good idea
Personally, I feel like their service, except for VPN, was always half assed.
- No access to SMTP for automation
- Need to use that shitty bridge to use a useful client
- No pgp encryption in their web interface when talking to people not at proton
- proton drive does not offer any useful protocol like ftp, webdav, or sftp
- Calendar and Contacts cannot be easily synchronized to phone and desktop apps
The list goes on. I have only one account left with a proton email and the letter with a code so I can change that lies on my desk.
If you’re on Proton to be privacy-oriented and stop governments or corporations from accessing your data, do you really trust the company when their CEO is cozying up to an authoritarian regime? I just don’t see Proton fighting any information requests from Trump right now, and just from a utilitarian perspective that makes them a bad choice for me as a user.
The creator is pro-Trump and they also recently stopped posting updates to Mastodon citing “they don’t have the resources” for it, or something like that.
Correct me if I have missed something; I’ve got no skin in the game, I just see the drama a lot.
Found this the other day, and it sorta makes me agree that this is getting a little blown up
And the top comment explains why it indeed is such s big issue. This is incomprehensibly incompetent.
There are few more services you need to be able to trust beyond your mail and VPN. If you have still trust then that’s ok, don’t get me wrong - but stating “just because the CEO spewed s bit of pro trump shit this got blown out of proportion” doesn’t acknowledge the propositions at all.
Andy Yen, who probably doesn’t keep up with U.S. news outside what he needs to for his company’s business needs, said an egghead thing.
Unless he said something else everyone is blowing this out of proportion.
said an egghead thing
The dumbification really does seem to permeate everything everywhere, doesn’t it. Imagine circlejerking antiintellectual regime taking points on lemmy.
Well, “everyone” being radicals online who think that everything is some sort of call to war. Normal people realize what it is. There are sprinkles of sane people here on Lemmy, but they’re drowned out by the crazies.
Nothing. The CEO dared to congrat someone (Trump) that other people (including myself) heavily dislike from the wrong account. So, tolerant and rational people want to cancel him and his company.
I’m sorry but what possible positive can you find in Proton doing that?
In what universe does his kissing the feet of that dicator equate to us keeping our lives private?
Whatever, guys. I don’t care about Proton, I don’t care about it’s CEO, I don’t care about Trump (quite the opposite, actually). Be enraged on every little shit and don’t forget to ask even the grocery guy about his political preference. Maybe you’re giving money to someone supporting Trump or his local equivalent. The internet and its virtue signaling is becoming increasingly annoying these days.
I’m trying out 3 different browsers atm and I think I’ll just keep all 3 and cycle though or use at different privacy settings. I will miss Firefox and not having to think about my browser. Can’t wait to watch all 3 go to shit as well.
Librewolf seems exactly the same, but it breaks Lemmy for me. It’s probably a setting I didn’t know to turn off.
It’s likely the resist fingerprinting option. It breaks many websites or those that use bot checking thing.
This thread got removed where it listed all of the things reddit collects, but we shouldn’t get complacent here either. We need to check our instances.
Some of the instances do this here. This is not a 100% haven. It’s great and waaaay better, but still, check into your instances, Lemmies.
