House Democratic lawmakers reportedly used a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups that have been driving constituent calls and pressuring the party to act like a genuine opposition force in the face of the Trump administration’s authoritarian assault on federal agencies and key programs.
I voted 3rd party in the election in a swing state and would do it again today.
The Democrats need to internalize the political cost of supporting Israel. If they want to win, they have to drop Israel.
Are we pretending the dems werent the ones who leveled gaza and committed genocide so far? They did that shit and they promised to do more of it.
And we dont know who to credit with the ceasefire.
Am I wrong? seems like those are just facts.
No, we’re not pretending that at all. Is the current administrations policy better?
Except unless they had been lobotomized, they knew damn well that their vote was being thrown away and that Trump would be the likely winner.
Which is tact approval of Trump and everything that came with it.
I don’t think that is a lesson to take away here
A party with more support for Israel won so if that was the issue then it seems they didn’t support Israel enough
it seems they didn’t support Israel enough
Seeing as centrists dems cant win without the left I dont think your point matters. The left isnt about to make any deals that include genocide, period. Not hard genocide, not diet-genocide. Harris could have won by breaking from Biden and calling Bidens actions genocide, but she refused to and she lost the voters. And if the next dem does the same they will lose the same. Its really that simple. And yes, the people that left their ballot blank or voted third party will do the exact same thing again, even as Trump burns the country down.
If we have to burn a country to the ground with murderous war crime enabling policies, our system does not deserve to exist either.
America’s far left are centrists
Your point of burning the system to the ground i can get behind but your proposal of doing that by letting fascists decide how to rebuild it instead of using violence (if you’re a terrorist) or public protests (if you’re a pacifist) is not something I would suggest
Harris could have won by breaking from Biden
By taking a tougher line on Israel than Biden? Possibly yes.
and calling Bidens actions genocide,
No, that could have completely sunk her campaign. Because “genocide” is hyperbole. Just because people here rarely bother to point out that “genocide” is obvious hyperbole, does not mean that the vast majority of voters do not know that using the word “genocide” is obvious hyperbole.
(1) Biden didn’t have any “actions” in Gaza. That was Hamas and Israel
(2) War crimes are not the same thing as “genocide”. Genocide means trying to exterminate an entire population.
(3) A war is not the same as war crimes. There has to be intentional killings of civilians.
it seems they didn’t support Israel enough
Can always count on democrats to interpret any sensory input as confirmation that they aren’t far enough to the right.
The Democrats in question would likely say they’re upset progressives are getting mad at Democrats as if they have the power to pass bills or do much of anything. Yelling “do something” isn’t helping when your party doesn’t have any power.
Ironically the most power Democrats have is thanks to the filibuster, which Progressives campaigned against for years.
Do nothing even though the conservatives and rich tech companies are taking over the federal government!
They have millions, they can do many things to make conservatives work harder every single time, they can run protest, they can amplifiy their voices behind one leader, they can do alot of things…
Maybe if they can’t do anything, these useless fucks should all resign and retire. Clearly, it wouldn’t make one difference.
Progressives have even less power. You want them to all resign and retire?
Yelling “do something” isn’t helping when your party doesn’t have any power.
it didnt help when the dems had power either. Theres zero correlation between what voters want and what our politicians do, even in our own party.
As to your second point:
the filibuster, which Progressives campaigned against for years.
All it takes to remove the fillibuster is a simple majority vote in the senate. Its not the shield you think it is. Its used to enable a minority party to block legislation, and the majority to let them do it while pretending to be stymied. It was used to block so many good pieces of legislation that had majority support. You think the republicans will keep that going? I doubt it.
And we still have swathes of Lemmy screaming that we need to call the Democrats and that they aren’t useless as a party and that calls and emails are a valid and productive method of getting favorable action done.
And then the DNC have a private meeting to tell all the leaders of the leftist holding pens to get a better leash.
Cause annoyance is the tactic that we have used for the last 2 decades and it’s got us here.
So we should move on to appeasement or contentment? No. Give them all nine circles of Hell.
People who didn’t vote ask the democrats to do something to fix it.
You just say that everyone to your left is a nonvoter as a pretext for ignoring them.
Eighty million people chose not to vote.
Now they’re surprised that Trump is doing exactly what he said he would and they’re all asking someone to fix it for them.
Eighty million people chose not to vote.
And you assume anyone that contacts their legislators is one of them.
It’s neat watching “Voting isn’t enough! You need to get involved!” become “Not like that!” when people start holding democrats accountable for their complicity.
I mean, people who did vote for them are also demanding the Dems do anything in their power to slow or stop this, which is exactly what the Reps have done when the situation is reversed and Dems just throw up their hands like there’s nothing they can do in both scenarios
Maybe we’re getting sick of them trying to play act the “good guys” doing things “by the rules” while watching the Reps do whatever the fuck they want and getting away with it again and again
Democrats are officially a dead party.
“Disgraceful and humiliating surrender from these Democrats as they continue to hit your inboxes and messages begging (spamming) for money.”
That’s all the careers care about.
