The shooter was 12 when Trump was first elected. archive

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Odd that a Republican would.

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Why?

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Maybe he was a 2nd amendment guy who actually took the defending against tyranny bit seriously. Highly unusual, but not unthinkable.

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14 points

I’m betting on libertarian

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There are quite a few republicans pissed that Trump is the ticket again. They don’t like him and find him destructive to, well, everything.

Not so odd.

Not all republicans are the type that stormed the capital. Those just happen to be the loudest and draw the most attention.

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If someone was republican who sees through the Trump cult, it’d be reasonable to see them infuritated with the party they once identified with. Given his age I’m not so sure I’d be conclusive one way or another right now though.

Seems mental distress and illnesses played another large factor here, as they so frequently like to do. Im not surprised the people being peddled the most propaganda are the one’s ‘snapping’.

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5 points

There are Republicans who are upset that the party isn’t extremist enough.

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Discord servers are restricted ring-fenced sections of the internet. They are often used by gaming groups and communities as secure chat rooms but are also used by fringe organisations to push their ideologies and discuss wild conspiracy theories and plots.

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49 points

Now THAT’S something we can regulate - politicians

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Discord is so obvious, yet “oh noes china tik tok meta insta!!”

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14 points

“One of them Discord users…”

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13 points

“Who is this 4Chan?”

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used by gaming groups and communities as secure chat rooms

Fucking lol

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Who on earth thinks discord is secure? Convenient af, though

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There’s nothing convenient about Discord’s UI, famously assembled by drunken idiot monkeys with a grudge against functional design.

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Yes

And often gaming groups engage in the second, ruining it

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Some articles (like this one from USA Today have mentioned that in '21 he made a small donation to the Progressive Turnout Project, and it’s interesting that that’s missing from this article. Did it turn out to not be true or did they purposefully omit that?

I’m from Yurop so I don’t even pretend to understand the election system in the US let alone PA, but I’ve seen some comments that led me to understand that he could well be a Democrat even though he was a “registered Republican” because there might not even be good D candidates for him to vote for in PA, and many D voters tactically vote for the least bad R candidate.

Not sure him being a “gun lover” really necessarily paints him as a Republican either; Americans regardless of party affiliation can be pretty… uh, enthusiastic about guns, although yeah it does seem to be more common on the right but I’m not sure it’s enough to draw any conclusions from it.

And just so there’s no misunderstandings, I really don’t have a dog in this hunt so I’m not looking to blame Democrats for the shooting, I’m just trying to digest the news I’ve been reading.

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It depends on the state (and their election laws) but some people register for the opposite primary to try and influence it.

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Nothing here is controversial in the slightest, why the down votes?

And yes, there are plenty of liberal gun nuts, like me.

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The Republican party registration has other corroborating information listed such as middle initial address and date of birth.

The donation only has the same first and last name.

So they’re including the Republican party registration, as it’s more confirmed… And they’re not saying he voted Republican, just that he was registered that way.

As for having an interest in guns, he owned an AR-15, so must have had some interest there.

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He was wearing a T-shirt from the merch store of the “Demolition Ranch” YouTube channel (huge gun channel) when he did this so yeah definitely

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As for having an interest in guns, he owned an AR-15, so must have had some interest there.

He was wearing a Demolition Ranch Tshirt. It’s a popular YouTube gun channel.

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I definitely think it’s possible he could be either. The bit about guns is mainly because guns is one of their things. Some Republicans love guns more than anything.

Either way, I’m mostly impressed at how quickly those facts became the most important bits of information. I guess it makes sense though. I’m just glad he’s white and not brown. lol

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26 points

NY Times article interviewed a classmate who indicated he had right leaning views.

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The donation is not confirmed to be him. The listed donation just came with a first and last name. No age or birth date, with no middle initial or name. There are a lot of people with the same first and last name and there’s no reason to believe it was this particular Thomas Crooks that made the donation.

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The address on the Act Blue donation is also listed as Pittsburgh, not Bethel Park.

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8 points

Turns out that was a different person with the same name.

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Some articles (like this one from USA Today have mentioned that in '21 he made a small donation to the Progressive Turnout Project, and it’s interesting that that’s missing from this article. Did it turn out to not be true or did they purposefully omit that?

It was a donation to a get out the vote project. On inauguration day. About as useful as tits on a tractor.

I don’t know if he made the donation to make it seem like he was a Democrat or for no good reason, but he didn’t donate $15 on January 20th to help Democratic turnout.

They probably left it out because getting into it would only muddy the waters or even lend false credence to the cult’s conspiracy theories about him being “deep state antifa” or whatever.

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37 points

How did they identify him using DNA? That’s a fucking red flag. Is there some database I’m not aware of? Or did he have prior arrests?

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he didn’t have a criminal record according to the article, but if DNA records existed for his parents, you could still identify someone as offspring with pretty high confidence based on that IIRC

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9 points

Why is it a red flag

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When you’re rooting for a conspiracy all new info cam be read as a red flag if you’re creative and paranoid enough.

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26 points

LET ME SEE HIS LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE

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Because it’s potentially indicative of a national database of everyone’s DNA, rather than just the criminal database, which would be (and perhaps is) a privacy nightmare

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some large commercial dna testing companies share their databases with law enforcement, and additionally you really don’t need a close match to start identifying someone, 5th cousin type thing etc. heres an good video on the issue.

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It’s not. Law enforcement can get a warrant on 23 & Me. Everyone turning over the DNA to random companies not required to comply with HIPAA is a terrible idea.

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Some states have been collecting blood for almost 40 years and can’t even really say why. They just started doing it…

https://www.ibj.com/articles/58596-storing-babies-blood-samples-pits-privacy-versus-science

Like, they have an excuse for taking the samples that seems valid. Except I don’t think they’re actually testing them. And there’s no reason to keep after testing.

Now, I dont think it’s for a secret DNA database, I think it’s normal red state bullshit.

Just pointing out in some states the take and keep blood samples from every birth

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Privacy minded people don’t like the idea of easily accessible geology databases. This was a good use of that technology, but people worry about that technology be used for evil. Health insurance companies reflagging you, or much worse.

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Did you mean *biology?

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These days, you can opt in having your child’s dna stored after birth, in case they go missing or a natural disaster or something. We did it, but we opted to keep it physically in our own possession. It’s a little vial.

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There are genealogy databases that are public and or cooperate with authorities. Perhaps I’m a privacy nihilist, but IMHO, the cat’s kind of out of the bag for a lot of this. If you didn’t submit your DNA to a genealogy DB, you probably have family members that did so could see if they were 30% Italian or something.

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It was the only reliable way to find who the biological parents of my father were, so yeah.

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It was the only way I could find out if my biological father was 30% Italian so I’m with you

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That’s how they caught the golden state killer. I think it was his niece submitted a DNA sample and it popped up as related to the unknown sample they had.

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I once read an expert on this and it seems they only need a very low amount of DNA samples (like 0.1% of the population) in the database to be able to narrow down any search to the sibling level.

And traditional detective work can then figure out which sibling, if there are multiple.

So yeah, the cat is out of the bag with this one.

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Exactly, your DNA doesn’t need to be in the DB at all, you just your relatives DNA in the DB.

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Yes all these rocks and minerals need to be watched closely

Lol

I think you mean genealogy maybe?

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Yeah. Autocorrect

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They could easily get samples from family members to confirm. I’m sure one or both of his parents were in discussions with the FBI shortly after this all went down

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Yeah this seems obvious to me. “Can we swab your cheek to confirm if this is your son?” What parent wouldn’t want to know if their kid was dead or alive?

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Some organizations do mass DNA collection from kids to help identify them later in life.

The school sends out a notification that the parents can sign up to have their kid swabbed so their kid’s tiny corpse can be identified. They don’t word it like that, but that is the idea.

So he may have been swabbed as a kid and they referenced that.

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I didn’t realize how sketchy that all was. The form mentions genetic testing for conditions, but that was just like 2 of the spots. They did like 6 to a tiny newborn. I’d recommend other parents to object.

And I’m going to submit the destruction forms for my kids and myself.

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