19 points

I actually believe it’s possible I dated a spy. Even I have a hard time believing it, but several others have acknowledged that the details of her background/our relationship raise some questions. Regardless, she fucked my head up a bit and is part of the reason I haven’t dated for years now.

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You’d dismantle the goberment

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What was she like ?

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Russian. Father was a Soviet/Russian military officer. She was a fashion designer (had at least one runway show with her clothes). She married a 20+ year older U.S. defense contractor before we met. Had at least one secret phone. Had no full-time job besides occasional Rover, but lived in a nicer area of D.C. than me, ostensibly on divorce settlement money. Ruinously and unrealistically good at sex. Thought we were headed toward engagement, but there was another man who clearly believed the same (not a fling, she’d met his parents just like mine, the whole deal, claimed it was to avoid deportation). Her username on at least one platform was a reference to her birthday followed by the word Spy. I met her shortly after spending several years working on Ukrainian policy issues in Congress and while I was working for a firm that handled prominent federal workforce/whistleblower/union matters. Before I was fired from that job, the partner said, but said I “didn’t seem to understand that there were a lot of people interested in the data they had, including state actors.” Didn’t register in that moment, even if that is what the partner meant. She admitted to changing her OKCupid profile so we’d have a higher match percentage. Her demeanor would perhaps best be described as fucking worshipful–including literally comparing me to Jesus and freely offering many things most partners have not freely offered in my other experiences. I guess I mean to say it always felt too-good-to-be-true. Pretty difficult thing to walk away from, but the craziness was just off the charts, sadly, because we were a really great match, if you could ignore the cartoonish narcissism, the gaslighting, the blatant personality mirroring, the infidelity, etc.

It’s possible she was just a kinky, broken Russian girl and I’m grasping at straws. But there’s more. Suffice it to say the timing and motion of it all felt really off. I’ll never know and would find it difficult to accept even with a smoking gun. It ended on my birthday when she finally admitted to the other relationship and began hitting herself in the face with both fists for a long time, which led to my calling 911, and her never showing her face again despite having just moved completely across the country to a new state to be near me after ~1.5 years together.

Good times. I should definitely call her.

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Good times. I should definitely call her.

Nah, pass. She’s definitely sus

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72 points

It’s okay, I can fix them

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9 points

Buddy, you are WORSE than them.

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They can fix me, then

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Honestly? Yeah, apparently being a notorious criminal gets you Hella attention from women

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I don’t think it’s even that, if you’re just passionate and serious about a movement it will slowly improve your charisma if you’re even 10% intelligent about it. Actually getting involved and going to meetings etc will 100% increase your chances of finding a partner. Now if you want one of those undercover bunker-buddies, you’re gonna need to start doing some heavy planning but probably not actually do anything illegal.

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👆 agree

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Bring notorious gets you hella attention from everyone (women included)

Ftfy

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26 points

Why wouldn’t they just kill me then?

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Because hooking you up with a hot partner is way more ethical.

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8 points

Since when does the CIA care about ethics?

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Since when does the CIA care about ethics?

Though the majority of the cold war.

On both sides of the Iron Curtain, field agents played nice with each other, even if the folks they recruited from the locals might be expendable. But disposing of a problematic VIP by diverting them into other interests, or spooking them / bribing them to get lost or whatever was much preferred to killing them. Not just because it was a moral matter, but also because the blowback would be significantly reduced.

Actual James Bond deaths were reserved for moles (that is, double agents, plants in one agency that secretly worked for the other side). Notoriously, a CIA mole in KGB was discovered and the entire floor was invited to watch him fed feet first into a blast furnace. (CIA even then preferred a trick from WWII, namely stuffing the agent in a remote prison surrounded by snow and cliffs where they are instructed to keep sending information to their handler… as long as they want to keep living.)

That all changed after 2001, specifically the 9/11 attacks and the PATRIOT act. The first sign things went foul was the burning of Valerie Plame for political reasons. The kind of true-believer American patriots would never burn an asset for a cheap political retaliation. That’s the sort of thing that gets political loved ones disappeared.

But then CIA started the extrajudicial detention and enhanced interrogation program. (We have far, far better ways to debrief enemy agents, even those who are trained to resist. Sometimes cookies are involved.. Then CIA was burning villages with PMCs. Then CIA was burning them with Predator Drones.

So yeah, CIA lost the plot in the 21st century, though I can’t speak to the ground crew, the analysts and OG field personnel. And to be perfectly fair, CIA had to develop ethics by trial and error, which is to say making a lot of mistakes resulting in blowback, and they still tried to kill Castro, only securing his position running Cuba until he died. But with that history, it hurts being ordered to do black work after we’d long learned not to do black work and learned alternatives.

And then, it was recently revealed that the reign of J. Edgar Hoover is regarded by FBI as a shameful period, since Hoover used the bureau to serve political interests of the administrations rather than to serve justice, something FBI has yet to live down.

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since people got smartphones and recorded every moment of their lives.

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So they can use you to support the government. Your spy girlfriend’s going to turn your opinion 180 degrees

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Doubt, I’m stubborn as all hell

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7 points

Information and/or they wanna fuck with foreign diplomats! Some ppl cannot be disappeared into a pre-revolution basement to violate any and all human rights on them (the cia actually dissapears ppl for torture, google it) so they send a a brick to be build in and by far the easiest and fastest of that is becoming x of y!

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I want to see a documentary on the children of those couples that found out that one of them was undercover, obviously destroying the relationship.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/12/police-spy-accuses-colleague-of-fathering-child-while-undercover

If true, the child would be the fourth born out of a relationship between a woman and an undercover police officer formed while on deployment infiltrating political movements.

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When you imagine you’re fucking the next Che Guevara but it’s really a cop. That’s got to suck.

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Definitely what the good guys are doing, right?

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