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There’s a lesson to be learned here:

Remove lead? Industry fights it. Lead gets removed. Industry is fine.

Acid rain? Industry fights it. Sulfur dioxide emissions reduced. Industry is fine.

Hole in ozone layer? Industry fights it. PFCs removed. Industry just fine.

Global warming? Industry fights it…

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But the industry WASN’T fine. They lost a fraction of a fraction of a percent in profits by going for the cleaner, safer options. How can you be so heartless.

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There is an issue of scale in that series. The first three are relatively small cost fixes. Addressing global climate change requires fundamentally reconfiguring all industry, globally at the very least. That’s orders of magnitude more costly than the first three fixes. And it’s orders of magnitude more difficult to get done politically, and engineering-wise.

But beyond that it may require massive reductions in consumption, trade and transportation. Possibly even short term remediation efforts like sprinkling silver dust in the stratosphere, which is estimated to cost in the hundred trillion dollar range.

I like that your comment shows that progress can be made against entrenched powerful interests though.

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Nope all it requires is a tax on greenhouse gas emissions, that’s it.

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So no one has to change anything physically? Just tax and poof? Neat trick.

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107 points

Looks around at the trump world… yep

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Yup. About half of them voted this last election.

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And they vote.

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NTs aren’t running the world. Workaholic sociopaths are running the world.

NDs are becoming more and more socially accepted, and less willing to subjugate themselves. “Neurodivergent” seems to be a misnomer: NTs only seem to be “typical” when NDs closet themselves and try to emulate them.

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The cases are on average more extreme now though.

My dad’s full side is ADHD/ASD. But the millennials/genZs have more severe cases than their uncles and great uncles did.

You can look at all the related disorders that are often comorbid like autoimmune, thyroid, MCAS, etc.

Look at conditions like Type1 diabetes which is growing ~3% per year! This isn’t just better diagnostics but explained by the stress diathesis model of disease interacting with our modern synthetic world.

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The cases are on average more extreme now though

This is based on your personal experience and not the evidence, which does not bear that out

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People also get a lot better at masking as they get older so younger people’s autism appears more severe than older people’s. Same is probably true for ADHD

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Routine treatment for autism, that would be something.

I agree with you though.

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Routine treatment for autism is applied behavior analysis. While ABA has its origins a hundred years ago, the field as it currently exists is very new, having really only developed in the last 25 years

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It’s not whether it existed or not, it’s the prevalence of it. Nothing wrong with it of course.

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Neither the greeks nor the romans were particularly shy about it and… Let’s call it non-christian ideas about sex have cropped up at various places and various times in history. That’s before the invention of plastics, so it got to be some good proof to be able to point a clear finger away from culture and towards plastics.

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Women with ADHD went so underdiagnosed that it’s considered an epidemic.

Women over the age of 35 were straight up not diagnosed because “girls don’t get ADHD.” So I do somewhat disagree with your premise.

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Under that age, too… Just turned 30 this year, still working my way around to doing research to find a provider to diagnose me. Which, with the nature of the condition that could take… a while, ha.

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it makes me wonder how neurotypical people ended up running the world

Unless you’re being sarcastic, this is absolutely not the case.

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I see; I think we just had different definitions of “running the world.” I thought you meant literally the leaders of nations, but you meant setting the social conventions of society at large.

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Yeah, I wouldn’t call narcissists neurotypical.

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it’ll probably be the ‘forever chemicals’ (e.g. pfas) but yea, same deal.

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There was a recent Australian study that found a link between BPAs and autism, although I find it hard to believe there’s a 1-to-1 link, as autism was a thing before plastics were invented.

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Society also had odd little release valves for neurodivergents which bizarrely enough could include parts of the military. Most of those are gone though in exchange at least we get treatment more readily than back then

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Have you met these people IRL or online? Most of the people I’ve met online do fall into one of those two buckets, but almost nobody I’ve met IRL does.

I would assume this is selection bias before attributing it to some other thing. The kinds of circles you run in are going to heavily affect this.

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I’m not sure the typical part is so typical after all. Given the size and complexity of our brains and the difference in DNA between us, I think more or less every family has their own ways of thinking and acting.

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Over 75 years, Hauer said lead exposure doubled the risk of schizophrenia for 89 million Americans, while quadrupling the risk of attention deficit disorder (ADHD) among another 170 million U.S. adults. The research also found a spike in anxiety, depression and neuroticism and a decrease in conscientiousness over the same period.

​The authors note that lead exposures would have also occurred from lead pipes, contaminated food and soil, and airborne dust from lead-emitting industries and waste incineration, among other sources. However, all of the mental health disorders tracked in the study rose and fell with the prevalence of lead in gasoline.

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/highlights/leaded-gasoline-legacy-linked-to-surge-in-schizophrenia-adhd-and-anxiety-disorders-finds-study-9902282

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