๐Ÿ–• Fuck PayPal

And fuck Linus Tech Tips for intentionally keeping quiet about this after they found out.

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I said it in another post: if you see a bunch of influencers all suddenly peddling the same stuff, stay away. All of them can be bought.

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119 points

Or, just donโ€™t trust ads period

Do your own research

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Okay, all of these customer reviews loved this product!

Weird how formulaic they sounded though.

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5 points

Didnโ€™t say anything about site reviews either :p

But ya finding good sources can be hard

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11 points

Do your own research is the famous last coherent phrase of the QAnon crowd. Idk what the answer is but that phrase will forever make me uneasy.

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14 points

How long are we going to let the far right keep stealing our words? Itโ€™s a proud respectable cryptocurrency term.

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Itโ€™s also something leftists famously tell each other ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

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Or just donโ€™t buy shit you donโ€™t need.

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3 points

(You donโ€™t buy Honey.)

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1 point

Technically you donโ€™t need housing or personal transportation so

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49 points

Especially anything from Linus, theyโ€™re a very scummy group.

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Am I the only one who, upon seeing his videos for the first time, immediately thought he was an annoying little pinhead?

Like, Iโ€™ve watched his channel(s) surge in popularity over the years, and this entire time Iโ€™ve just been wondering why, and the issues that have come out about his little empire since have only confirmed my initial prejudice.

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24 points

Their entire video is an ad filled experience of shilling not only their sponsors but themselves. Incredibly obnoxious and cramming in every YouTube stereotype from begging for likes and subs to clickbait titles and then insisting they have to do it so they can have their cake and eat it makes them even more obnoxious than if they just did it without wanting to be forgiven for it.

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15 points

They event have the stupid thumbnail stereotype

Soviet Womble expressed the feeling I have against channels like that very nicely: 7:56, in case link with timer doesnโ€™t work

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10 points

Because of his name, I thought he was a pro-Linux channel. I was swiftly disappointed.

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7 points

I got that creepy feeling from him the first time I saw a video of him. Every photo of him I saw set off alarms. Iโ€™ve also never understood why anyone even likes the guy.

This was years before all the issues came to light.

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Iโ€™m with you. I heard of him on Reddit forever ago and couldnโ€™t get through a single video.

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What annoys me the most is since his last drama, Linus HAS to be the face in every video now! Wtf it used to be a bunch of them took turns making videos, and it was fun seeing everyone work on different things. He has to be front and get all the attention, it just feels weird now.

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Pretty sure it has nothing to do with him needing attention and everything to do with thumbnails of him getting more clicks. Itโ€™s the only thing the company cares about.

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5 points

Side effect of him stepping away from the CEO role, I guess.

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But I really enjoy watching Techlinked :(

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Especially anything from NullDrive, theyโ€™re a very scummy group.

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31 points

I have a built-in spidey sense that hates any product that gets peddled simultaneously by a bunch of YouTubers.

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See also: RayCons headphones, which appear to be unilaterally bullshit but were on absolutely every video for a couple of months, touted as being the very best.

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I never trusted Honey to begin with but this goes far deeper than I ever expected. I always wondered โ€œyeah, but where do they get their money?โ€ I always figured it was just a way to take peopleโ€™s data and sell it to data brokers (which they probably also do, letโ€™s be honest) but this is just blatant fraud. Stealing affiliate money from links and having companies pay them to purposefully give out worse coupon codes is just devious through and through. Itโ€™s basically free money and everybody else, whether influencer or consumer, get fucked over in the process.

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Yeah I always wondered what the catch was? The CEO was always posting on Reddit trying to defend honey and how cool they were.

Either way, I never trust any shopping deal plugins. The whole idea of them is sketchy.

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Only shopping plugin I use is the one that comes with Edge. Surprisingly good to track price history and find other sites selling the product. I considered some Chrome plugin that displays an Amazon productโ€™s country of origin to avoid Chinesium but apparently it didnโ€™t work well or something like that from reading the reviews. Had some attached rewards function for shopping with it, ick.

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Itโ€™s funny how Edge got lambasted for it when they introduced that feature, but itโ€™s legitimately super helpful and non-invasive.

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11 points

https://keepa.com/#!

I use this extension to get a general idea of whether a product usually goes for cheaper and whether or not to wait. Really conveniently on the Amazon page directly.

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Also pcpartpicker to track pc parts. Isthereanydeals for game prices.

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I always assumed it was a combination of your guess and companies giving Honey special coupon codes so consumers are more eager to spend.

โ€œHey Honey, weโ€™ll give you 1% commission if you just host this HONEY5 coupon for 5% off.โ€

That was my impression when I used it once. Wasnโ€™t worth having an extension just for a slight discount. Love when a company doesnโ€™t fulfill the service they advertise.

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But that would be an ethical business model, we canโ€™t have that, this is PayPal and this is the internet. Thereโ€™s no place for ethics in that combination.

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everybody else, whether influencer or consumer, get fucked over in the process.

Enshittification correctly defined.

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Same. I never downloaded it or anything like it but I didnโ€™t realize they were playing both sides. Itโ€™s fucked.

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If youโ€™re sitting at a poker table and you canโ€™t tell who the sucker is, itโ€™s you.

Alternately, if you look at an online service and canโ€™t tell what the product is, Itโ€™s you.

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And even if you can tell what the product is, itโ€˜s still often you. โ€œPremiumโ€ subscriptions for example might hide (some) ads, but services still collect as much data about you. Even grocery stores where the offer seems obvious are trying to bait you into installing their apps to collect data on top of charging you for every item. And sure itโ€™s not relevant in this case, but itโ€™s something we should never forget.

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By that logic, linux users are the product.

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Yeah, I feel like thatโ€™s usually a very accurate saying, but it doesnโ€™t really work with a lot of open source projects.

I hate that youโ€™re getting downvoted by so many people who donโ€™t realize youโ€™re pointing out an exception to the rule, and instead think you have some fundamental misunderstanding about how Linux works.

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They are getting downvoted for misconstruing something that is clearly a rule about profit making services and applying it to crowd sourced non-profit open source projects.

Truly open source projects donโ€™t have suckers.

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Itโ€™s difficult for others to take advantage of you when you can learn what the software actually does and have it modified to work another way.

Linux (for the most part) is open source but Iโ€™d argue the inclusion of any proprietary software/firmware/drivers means something ultimately isnโ€™t.

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Linux is neither an online service, nor a business at all.

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No? The OS is the product.

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I think the issue was with the original commenterโ€™s phrasing. Facebook looks like a product. But the commenter meant โ€œHow the product is being fundedโ€.

Of course, it gets hard when thereโ€™s multiple sources of revenue. You used to be able to spot ads and come to the conclusion that that was everything. Now an ad is just the tip of the iceberg.

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I mean, yes?

The key difference is linux wants you to help make it better. Something like Honey steals your data, and steals money from others, and then wants you to make it better.

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A useful question to ask when hearing about a new company is โ€œWhatโ€™s your business model?โ€

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There is no such thing as a free and benevolent product with an advertising budget.

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Free and benevolent maybe not. but genuine and non malicious?

โ€œWhatโ€™s your business model?โ€ โ€œwe make and sell delicious sandwiches. Customer buys the sandwich for a little mote than it costs to make so we get money for ourselves.โ€ That isnโ€™t a scam.

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Correct. Itโ€™s not a scam. Because itโ€™s not free. The sandwich had a price posted, you paid it, you received the product. Valid business model.

What would you think instead if you saw a NYT front page ad taken out for Free Sandwich Mart, the all-you-can-eat totally free sandwich emporium?

Or in this case, a free browser extension that paid to sponsor five thousand YouTube videos that promises to help you pay less money to every store you activate it on at no cost to you?

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Wikipedia

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Show me a Wikipedia ad that they paid money for?

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Their advertisement budget is collected by guilt tripping Wikipedia users using the lie that the website would cease if they didnโ€™t โ€donateโ€.

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Real as shit. I know idiots who think apple pays people scaling on how many downloads their app has xD (kinda like yt views)

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โ€œWhere are they getting money to pay for sponsorships and what are their motivationsโ€

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Ever since it was explained that Mr. Beast only smiles with his mouth, I get skeeved out every time I see him.

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Mr Beast literally shadow banned the word teeth from his YT comments. Itโ€™s hilarious.

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Itโ€™s a shame too, I really miss all the great tooth related discussions we used to have there.

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Shit! You are right. Thats horrible. And explains why he freaks me out.

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Mr. Beast is completely creepy.

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Ohโ€ฆ THATโ€™s whatโ€™s off!

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