There are 3 manifestos circulating. One is definitely fake as it was written by someone with an average intellect at best. It goes on to reference the Ridley Scott film “Gladiator” and is rife with spelling and grammatical errors. The second one that police released to the media with instructions not to publish it starts off boot licking cops saying “(to the feds) I appreciate what you do for our country” and the one i believe to be the legitimate Manifesto is on his personal website which shares his twitter handle. People have attempted to discredit this one by saying the metadata says it was created December ninth, however this does not add up. Firstly when you type the URL into the website age checker it says it was created sometime in july 2023. Secondly if you search the link in google you will see it is timestamped December 3rd. The day before the shooting. It is hosted in Rekyjavik Iceland on an encrypted .WHOIS server. However this is not all that leads me to believe it is legitimate.
Next if you examine the main page of the website you will see there are 2 posts as well as links to Mangione’s twitter, Github, LinkedIn and email address. Also the 2 links are tech projects he worked on. One is an AI project and the other is a robotics engineering project where he created a robot that mimics his own movements. This post has 3 pictures/.gifs of him controlling the device through his movements. These images are not located anywhere else online.
Next i analyzed the manifesto on this site and there are zero grammatical or spelling errors. I then had chat gpt do some analysis of the document. Firstly I asked if it appeared to be written by a person or an AI and it unequivocally answered that it is human generated. Next i had it assess the level of intellect and schooling as well as the age of the writer. It said the writer appears to be between the age of 30-50 but a high level of prestigious schooling could mean that the writer is indeed younger.
Now I remembered seeing someone post a twitter link to a paper mangione wrote about Christianity and the roman empire. So i pulled this up entered it into chat gpt and had it run an analysis on both. I then asked what the likelihood that both of these documents were written by the dame author and chat gpt said it was very likely especially if the manifesto was written years after the first allowing the writers skill level to increase. I have the chat gpt conversation screen shots if people would like me to post them or have any other ideas as to how this manifesto could be further analyzed.
But the manifesto that I believe to be the real deal is located at www dot pepmangione dot com backslash manifesto. I would link it but it seems the entire internet is on damage control for billionaires to scrub as much pro mangione content as they possibly can. Ive had YouTube comments shadow hidden and removed for just spelling out this link as I’ve done above
I used to be on reddit but luckily for me i didnt have to deal with tje insane censorship resulting from this phenomenon. However i had to deal with it 6-7 months ago when i was perma-IP banned for pointing out that international law states indigenous populations have a right ro defend themselves by any means necessary including the big V word. Now ive seen more than half a dozen Luigi Mangione Reddit subs wiped from existence in the last 10 days. Ive seen posts on photoshop battles nuked. Ive seen a sub with users who are flared as uhc corporate affiliated spreading ridiculous propaganda that was then parroted bu CNN 2 days later (brian Thompson is the new george floyd and other ridiculous shit) this sub is r/fuckluigimangione it reads like satire but their automod is ready to state otherwise anytime anyone asks if it is satirical.
We are living in a blatantly fascist plutocratic oligarchy.
I then had chat gpt do some analysis of the document.
This kind of analysis is worse than useless, and if this is what you’re basing your claim on… I’ll trust Klippenstein over you.
The entire section where you interacted with ChatGPT is completely and utterly useless. Every bit of it.
Agree to disagree. Is it on par with a forensic analysis of the writing style and composition of both documents? Definitely not. But is it completely useless? I don’t think so. Might as well use AI as a tool whenever we can.
As a decades experienced web engineer, I’d like to know, what is an encrypted .WHOIS server? In all of my time, I’ve never seen those words put together in that order.
I think what you’re trying to say is that the WHOIS data associated with the domain is from a privacy service, not an actual person. You can pretty clearly see in that data that the domain was registered on Dec 9th of this year, and that part can’t be faked (at least, it can only be faked by the registrar, and I don’t think NameCheap Inc is in on it). So unless he set this domain up right before they arrested him, no, this is not his domain.
The IP address in the A record for that domain belongs to Amazon Inc, and is located in San Jose, CA. That pretty much shows that it’s running on an AWS machine. So yeah, literally anyone with some basic web knowledge could have set that up in a few minutes.
As even further evidence that it wasn’t him, the Wayback Machine only shows snapshots of that domain since Dec 9, 2024, the day the domain was registered. And the page changes between the night of the ninth, and the morning of the tenth, while he was in custody.
Thanks for your input. I do not have an expert grasp of coding or programming.
Is there no possibility one could have set this domain up to release after being arrested either by oneself or with a participating party?
That would be a stupid way to do it. Setting up the infrastructure can happen months before any content is visible.
Hyperrins explanation points to the idea that someone was actively setting this up when the news of the arrest dropped.
If it was set up beforehand, the content would be available on the first snapshot or there would be blank Wayback entries for more than only a few hours.
Whats the most possible scenario for someone having a message website release after suddenly becoming indefinitely or permanently indisposed?
I can’t say there’s no possibility, but the probability is incredibly low. The domain was registered on the day he was arrested, likely after he was arrested, because the first Wayback snapshot is at 2:47 PM EST and the page is blank. Meaning, a web server had been set up to respond to requests, but no content had been added, so it just responded with an empty body. The first snapshot with content was taken two hours later at 4:28 PM EST.
The rat that ratted him out called 911 shortly after 9 AM, which means he was in custody during this time.
The story had just started to spread by the early afternoon, so whoever registered the domain could have done so after learning his name from the news. (Utah Dispatch posted the story at 12:39 PM.)
The rat that ratted him out was likely also fabricated since his mother called police days before the arrest saying that the picture looked like him and thid seems like something he would do.
I read someone who described a digital police tool called mark-23 which allows police to access the microphone and camera of mobile phones even when they are off and the battery removed and also provide location data in real time accurate to within a few feet. That and mcdonalds self ordering kiosks have AI and Facial recognition built in so it’s extremely likely they made up nancy parker to not further anger the proletariat. Just a hunch though.
ChatGPT doesnt know shit about fuck. NEXT!
Why would someone who wrote the /manifesto page have such a shit website? Far more likely that someone registered the domain on 12/09/2024 like the whois says, made this front page out of what little shit they could get their hands on, and then buried their own text at /manifesto.
And … do people who write manifestos call them “manifesto”?
I’d believe Klippenstein over this anonymous copypasta.
I haven’t actually looked at this website, but there’s a long history of programmer types making the most basic personal websites they can with unformatted, plain HTML and the like.
Consider, for example, the Agile Manifesto. It’s kinda important for the history of software engineering, but just try to read it on top of that tiled background.
Idk, maybe when you’re this based you see a duck and you just call it a duck? He did name the document “Healthcare and its victims” which is a succinct and accurate title imo
Also it is likely someone so into tech would skimp on a webpage rather than the projects they are working on. This is all speculation but why would the /manifesto be timestamped December 3rd on google search which is 6 days before anyone knew who mangione was?
I think its most likely police fabricated the one the media leaked to klippenstien. Primarily to make his political beliefs look disjointed and unhinged. Like thanking the class traitor attack dogs of the owner class and also calling the owner class parasites in the same long winded paragraph? Also we don’t have a photo of the actual alleged document just a type up. The other purpose of releasing a forgery is to see which reporters would do as they are told and if the real one is ever widely circulated the reporters who didn’t fall in line could be attacked as lacking credibility. Its kind of a twofur.
Klippenstein is a journalist with a history. He posted what he had, on his own site, saying “I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online.”
This pepmangione.com site - we have no idea who put this up. Internet Archive doesn’t have anything on it prior to December 9, 2024. Same thing for /manifesto. This aligns with the whois domain registration date.
I think you’re reaching, and the assumptions you’re making and then claiming are most likely, without any evidence to support them smack of conspiracy theory. What’s most likely here, based on evidence, is that someone decided to have some fun and register this domain on Dec 9 and plop some things in it.
Given the fact that reddit instructed mods to delete and heavily censor any and all mangione content as soon as he was arrested and that multiple luigi oriented communities on multiple platforms are being deleted left and right its more than fair and warranted to suspect conspiracy. People with billions of dollars who profit on militarism and prison industry do not play by the rules they write them and rewrite them as they see fit.
I like ken, his reporting is top notch but he might be a little less naive than other reporters but still a bit naive. This is what he was given and he had every right to believe it is legit but i think something smells fishy here.
