There are 3 manifestos circulating. One is definitely fake as it was written by someone with an average intellect at best. It goes on to reference the Ridley Scott film “Gladiator” and is rife with spelling and grammatical errors. The second one that police released to the media with instructions not to publish it starts off boot licking cops saying “(to the feds) I appreciate what you do for our country” and the one i believe to be the legitimate Manifesto is on his personal website which shares his twitter handle. People have attempted to discredit this one by saying the metadata says it was created December ninth, however this does not add up. Firstly when you type the URL into the website age checker it says it was created sometime in july 2023. Secondly if you search the link in google you will see it is timestamped December 3rd. The day before the shooting. It is hosted in Rekyjavik Iceland on an encrypted .WHOIS server. However this is not all that leads me to believe it is legitimate.
Next if you examine the main page of the website you will see there are 2 posts as well as links to Mangione’s twitter, Github, LinkedIn and email address. Also the 2 links are tech projects he worked on. One is an AI project and the other is a robotics engineering project where he created a robot that mimics his own movements. This post has 3 pictures/.gifs of him controlling the device through his movements. These images are not located anywhere else online.
Next i analyzed the manifesto on this site and there are zero grammatical or spelling errors. I then had chat gpt do some analysis of the document. Firstly I asked if it appeared to be written by a person or an AI and it unequivocally answered that it is human generated. Next i had it assess the level of intellect and schooling as well as the age of the writer. It said the writer appears to be between the age of 30-50 but a high level of prestigious schooling could mean that the writer is indeed younger.
Now I remembered seeing someone post a twitter link to a paper mangione wrote about Christianity and the roman empire. So i pulled this up entered it into chat gpt and had it run an analysis on both. I then asked what the likelihood that both of these documents were written by the dame author and chat gpt said it was very likely especially if the manifesto was written years after the first allowing the writers skill level to increase. I have the chat gpt conversation screen shots if people would like me to post them or have any other ideas as to how this manifesto could be further analyzed.
But the manifesto that I believe to be the real deal is located at www dot pepmangione dot com backslash manifesto. I would link it but it seems the entire internet is on damage control for billionaires to scrub as much pro mangione content as they possibly can. Ive had YouTube comments shadow hidden and removed for just spelling out this link as I’ve done above
I used to be on reddit but luckily for me i didnt have to deal with tje insane censorship resulting from this phenomenon. However i had to deal with it 6-7 months ago when i was perma-IP banned for pointing out that international law states indigenous populations have a right ro defend themselves by any means necessary including the big V word. Now ive seen more than half a dozen Luigi Mangione Reddit subs wiped from existence in the last 10 days. Ive seen posts on photoshop battles nuked. Ive seen a sub with users who are flared as uhc corporate affiliated spreading ridiculous propaganda that was then parroted bu CNN 2 days later (brian Thompson is the new george floyd and other ridiculous shit) this sub is r/fuckluigimangione it reads like satire but their automod is ready to state otherwise anytime anyone asks if it is satirical.
We are living in a blatantly fascist plutocratic oligarchy.
File dates can be forged.
Indeed. But i am curious, are you questioning the info on websiteage.org, the google timestamp or the December 9th date people are using to write it off as fake?
How Do We Detect Website Age?
[…] it fetches the webpage in the given url, and then scans through the HTML markup and content, to find indicators of the site age.
It seems that it would be easy to throw websiteage.org way off.
Would it not also be easy for ultra wealthy individuals to tamper with the website metadata to alter the date as to discredit it?
What of the google timestamp of December 3rd?
Post the info on the original timestamp being DEC 3. The DEC9 posting was the most convincing i agree but the dates were enough to cast doubt. Very likely they are calling his arrest statement a manifesto to muddy the waters, but I havent much confidence in that breloom signed substack due to the modified date.
Im not a computer savvy hacking wiz. All i have is a screenshot someone else took and a screenshot i took from my mobile device both timestamped December 3rd and a screenshot of the websiteage.org inquiry that says estimated date of creation is july 2023.
I think its best to remember the media narrative isnt the only thing people with more money than the GDP of many nations have the capacity to manipulate. I can (attempt) to post the screenshots and chat gpt screenshots if thats helpful? I say attempt because i just started using lemmy through the voyager app and its been a challenge yo figure it out lol.
Screenshots can be doctored, still interested in em tho. To my knowledge this is the one posted on DEC9. It was taken down as substack called it impersonation. I have not seen any evidence that verifies it. There is also no real metadata we can pull from it outside of what was archived on the page to my knowledge.
Obviously but do as i did and type pepmangione and manifesto into google search and the link should pop up with the december 3rd timestamp as it did for me.
(Edit) i just tried again and the timestamp is now not showing which is sketchy
The entire section where you interacted with ChatGPT is completely and utterly useless. Every bit of it.
Agree to disagree. Is it on par with a forensic analysis of the writing style and composition of both documents? Definitely not. But is it completely useless? I don’t think so. Might as well use AI as a tool whenever we can.
thank you for this
Why would someone who wrote the /manifesto page have such a shit website? Far more likely that someone registered the domain on 12/09/2024 like the whois says, made this front page out of what little shit they could get their hands on, and then buried their own text at /manifesto.
And … do people who write manifestos call them “manifesto”?
I’d believe Klippenstein over this anonymous copypasta.
Idk, maybe when you’re this based you see a duck and you just call it a duck? He did name the document “Healthcare and its victims” which is a succinct and accurate title imo
Also it is likely someone so into tech would skimp on a webpage rather than the projects they are working on. This is all speculation but why would the /manifesto be timestamped December 3rd on google search which is 6 days before anyone knew who mangione was?
I think its most likely police fabricated the one the media leaked to klippenstien. Primarily to make his political beliefs look disjointed and unhinged. Like thanking the class traitor attack dogs of the owner class and also calling the owner class parasites in the same long winded paragraph? Also we don’t have a photo of the actual alleged document just a type up. The other purpose of releasing a forgery is to see which reporters would do as they are told and if the real one is ever widely circulated the reporters who didn’t fall in line could be attacked as lacking credibility. Its kind of a twofur.
Klippenstein is a journalist with a history. He posted what he had, on his own site, saying “I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online.”
This pepmangione.com site - we have no idea who put this up. Internet Archive doesn’t have anything on it prior to December 9, 2024. Same thing for /manifesto. This aligns with the whois domain registration date.
I think you’re reaching, and the assumptions you’re making and then claiming are most likely, without any evidence to support them smack of conspiracy theory. What’s most likely here, based on evidence, is that someone decided to have some fun and register this domain on Dec 9 and plop some things in it.
Given the fact that reddit instructed mods to delete and heavily censor any and all mangione content as soon as he was arrested and that multiple luigi oriented communities on multiple platforms are being deleted left and right its more than fair and warranted to suspect conspiracy. People with billions of dollars who profit on militarism and prison industry do not play by the rules they write them and rewrite them as they see fit.
I like ken, his reporting is top notch but he might be a little less naive than other reporters but still a bit naive. This is what he was given and he had every right to believe it is legit but i think something smells fishy here.
I haven’t actually looked at this website, but there’s a long history of programmer types making the most basic personal websites they can with unformatted, plain HTML and the like.
Consider, for example, the Agile Manifesto. It’s kinda important for the history of software engineering, but just try to read it on top of that tiled background.
