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Turns out ā€œmove fast and break thingsā€ doesnā€™t work that well in the auto industry

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Where does that work well? A demolition derby?

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In contexts where mistakes donā€™t cost peopleā€™s lives.

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Somewhere where you can fix whatever you broke in minutes.

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Why does it feel like they recall more cars than they sell?

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Theyā€™re an idea company that makes cars on the side.

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AFAIK theyā€™re all just software updates that install automatically

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Not all of them, like the gas pedal rivet.

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I need one of these but for tesla recalls

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Every time thereā€™s a recall, I remember the equation from Fight Club and how the company has to make a decision to recall or absorb the costs. Tesla has had A LOT of recalls mostly with the cyber truck. Musk doesnā€™t seem like the kind of person to be cautious and recall to be on the safe side.

Soā€¦ What ARENā€™T they recalling?

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Recalls arenā€™t just something that magically happen. Usually thereā€™s an investigation (by the NHTSA, or the company themselves). That investigation concludes that a recall is warranted or necessary and, in the case of voluntary recalls they do a cost to benefit analysis (like how Ford did when the Pinto was a bomb just waiting to be rear ended, and they realized they would save money by not recalling them).

But the NHTSA does force quite a few car manufacturers to do mandatory recalls regardless of whether they want to or not, usually to do with health and safety. You know. To prevent the Ford Pinto scenario.

So itā€™s not so much what they arenā€™t recalling (although Iā€™m sure thereā€™s quite a lot). The real question should be, why do they have so many recalls? Why arenā€™t they fixing the problems before they public gets a hold of these vehicles. And itā€™s not just Tesla we should be asking that question of.

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That sounds like magic to me. To get anything involved with the government not throwing a temper tantrum and make it about themselves.

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They do fight. But usually it doesnā€™t end well for them. Usually they drag their feet and waste time hoping that most of the cars will be out of commission before the recall is forced on them or they fight the government over a proposed recall in court and lose. https://apnews.com/article/ford-nhtsa-fine-recall-slow-244e2318b794e2be10196414eba9a029

https://www.dailyjournal.com/articles/376533-tesla-recalls-too-little-too-late

https://www.ttnews.com/articles/volkswagen-appeals-rejected-high-court-allows-emissions-scandal-suits

Right now I know (brother is a tech) that Ford has problems with water pumps but no recalls have been issued. I suspect this is because of the cost to fix them and the fact that these cars are still in warranty, so itā€™s cheaper to have the people in warranty come information service and have it discovered that their water pump is shot than it is to tell them their water pump may be bad because the cooling system is contaminated. It cuts down the number of cars they have to fix significantly. Which is why (yes even if youā€™re not taking your car to a dealership) you should have your car inspected regularly if you arenā€™t going to do it yourself.

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For this kind of recall, the expense can be insanely low. Itā€™s just a software update that can be done over the air. Something that would warrant a recall is the type of thing they would fix for future builds. So they already put money into it to update the software for future builds. Just pushing it to older builds is simple. Ergo the part of the formula for ā€œthe cost of doing the recallā€ is, as previously mentioned, insanely low. This makes it very easy to have that cost be lower than the amount to settle out of court.

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Tesla may have figured out how SpaceX deals with the muskrat. They basically have a team of people that run interference with tons of busywork they shove in his face when he visits, so that he canā€™t actually do anything.

If Trumpā€™s people have half a brain, they will talk to the people that give the British rich and powerful the run around.

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How is it possible for the Muskrat to not be aware of all this, if we in the public are?

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He curates his input and surrounds himself with sycophants to give him the skewed view of reality that he prefers.

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You think a billionaire that spends most of his ā€œvery busyā€ schedule tweeting nonsense cares to read the news?

Thereā€™s probably a dedicated intern that gives him daily briefings while Musk scrolls twitter for a new Nazi to retweet. The intern knows better than to upset the Muskrat, and keeps news about Tesla issues to a minimum.

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Iā€™m still not sure why people buy this pos strapped to wheels? The quality is sub par at best.

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Affluent people like novelty.

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Cool factor I think. Tech enthusiasts who wanted a car full of tech. The funny thing is automotive is having a tough time building quality vehicles recently across the board. The pandemic only seems to have exacerbated the problem but the trend is that even experienced car manufacturers are having recalls up the whazoo.

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