163 points

Did we already forget that BG3 existed like once year later…?

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91 points

Cyberpunk 2077, RDR2 still wasn’t that long ago, Dragon Age Veilguard was actually a success convincing even EA, Star Wars Jedi series, the list goes on. It just has to be a good story, you can’t just slap some boring ass story in there.

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Odd to say Veilguard was a success when from what I can tell, one of the few things uniting the very fractured and divided gaming community this year was that the writing in Veilguard was horrible. And you know that’s true when the various members of that community can give their own varied reasons why the writing was horrible and they would all be valid.

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I only see that in some communities. Most of the people that hate on veilguard, from what I’ve seen, either haven’t played the game or are clipping parts out of context.

The complaints I’ve seen that aren’t “dur hur, binary qunari” talk about the shaky dialogue in the beginning, where things felt awkward and clunky, like a new team forming. I’ll give credence to the complaints about some depth being lost in the characters versus other games in the series, but I think those people feel that way because Inquisituon was a bloated mess (that I love) and they’ve played 1 and 2 so many times in different ways they’re meshing all the dialogue into one. Playing through veilguard a second time, and watching my partner take different choices than me, made the characters on par with Mass Effect 2 allies. Which, I’d say isn’t an accomplishment so much as a mild chastisement that it hasn’t improved since then.

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Veilguard is far from success, and it’s because it’s the worst-written DA game to date. And that is on EA. They had every chance to make it a good game (as the art book they published shows just what a good story it was shaping up to be before EA forced them to start over for a live service version) but they chose to waste everyone’s time for 10 years by changing their mind mid development multiple times, firing the veteran team members right in the middle of development…

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8 points

Dragon Age Veilguard was actually a success

They finally confirmed or denied this claim?

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14 points

If the leaks to be trusted, they expected to sell 10 million copies but now they’re talking about they maybe can sell 3 million copies for the lifetime of the game.

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91 points

They sell fine. Look at BG3.

What they don’t do is make money hand over fist without the need to design more product, as happens with subscription-based, game-as-a-service multiplayer titles. Some companies don’t want to make good games. They just want to make good money.

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22 points

And ignoring all the attempts at a game-as-a-service that fail

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19 points

“That guy just made millions of dollars playing the lottery. We should quit our jobs and play the lottery too!”

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9 points

More expensive and less profit

Like the other person pointed out with GaaS you don’t even need to finish the game before you start making money

However BG3 had a big already established IP and successful Divinity games beforehand

I will give you some advice that I was given “you need a hit before you can have a hit”

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man who normally buys “narrative-driven, story-rich games” forced to put his money back into his wallet

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5 points

Anything good you can recommend? Haven’t seen much good since Witcher 3… And before that, maybe Gothic 2 or Oblivion.

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20 points

Baldurs gate 3? One of the best games I ever played.

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7 points

I haven’t played it, but based on everything I’ve read about it, that alone puts the headline to shame.

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2 points

This man is spitting straight fire.

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Since The Witcher 3 came out, my favorite video game stories have been Disco Elysium, Cyberpunk 2077, 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim, Alan Wake 2, Citizen Sleeper, and Metaphor: ReFantazio. I also really liked Death Stranding, but Kojima’s not for everyone.

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7 points

Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2, if you haven’t played already. Think of them as the stepping stones for BG3.

Spec Ops: The Line is a 3rd person shooter with an incredible story, I think it takes 4-6 hours to go through the campaign. Short when compared to RPGs, but worth the time. People also talk about Titanfall 2’s campaign being great, I haven’t played it yet.

Mass Effect trilogy is also very good, mainly the 2nd game. The first game is the jankiest of the bunch and the 3rd is much better after all the DLC, though I still don’t like how the optional Paragon/Renegade prompts from 2 became obligatory QTE in 3.

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If you liked the story driven elements of TW3 you might like Cyberpunk 2077. Its very similar story and engine wise since they’re both made by CDPR, but obviously very different thematically. God of War is another story driven narrative driven game I enjoyed.

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Currently sucked into Kingdom Come Deliverance, which is similar to TW3 in that it’s a first person story driven game, but set in IRL 1403 Bohemia instead of the fantasy setting. Very good historical storytelling, I think.

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TW3 is third person

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You know, maybe i dont know enough about games as i am a casual these days, aside from baldurs gate 3 which is a fucking masterpiece, i really like the 2 (soon to be 3) star wars jedi games outcast and survivour. They are like a much easier souls mixed with the 3d prince of persia (sands of time, warrior within, two thrones) games but are very story driven. I am very excited to see what will happen in the final game in the trilogy qhen it comes out.

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…Yakuza

Bros being bros forever.

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2 points

Control? Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West.

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2 points

I’ve a love/hate relationship with Rogue Trader 40k. I fucking love it, literally everything about it, but I also hate it because it will end at some point.

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2 points

I’ve been loving Metaphor recently

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2 points

I’ve been playing Outer Worlds lately. It’s made by Obsidian so it’s gameplay is similar to F:NV.

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1 point

The new Indiana Jones game is really fun.

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60 points

Narrative-driven games made Valve into Valve. But ok, you do you.

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A better way to put it is story driven games sell. Mobile and MTX games sell better.

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8 points

Mobile and MTX games sell better make more money

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6 points

A small number of mobile games sell better make obscene money, the vast majority make a pittance or lose money. But corporate types cant stop salivating at the thought of being the ones to own the next candy crush, so they’d rather take a shot at that than produce something with merit that will likely make a reasonable return.

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1 point

Yeah it’s depressing, I’m amazed we’re getting anything good at all by this point

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4 points

It was tricky to find actual numbers so correct me if I am wrong, but if you look at the entire lifetime net profit (not revenue) of Elden Ring since it’s launch, it appears that Dragon Ball Bokken made all of Elden Ring’s profit in just 2024 alone.

When you read Bandai’s financial reports they always open with their mobile games, with From Software titles getting an “honorable mention” at the end.

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8 points

Half life is far from Planescape Torment…

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2d isometric vs 3d first person. One format clearly lets stories breathe better, but that doesn’t mean half life isn’t story driven.

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Never said it isn’t, I said story isn’t the thing that made it and Valve popular.

I’m old enough to remember when it released, story wasn’t the focus.

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Halflife was 25 years ago, but ok you do you.

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14 points

You didn’t have to hurt all of us olds that bad.

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LOL when Halflife came out I worked at World Opponent Network - which Valve acquired a few years later, long after I was gone.

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Honestly I can’t think of a recent game I enjoyed that wasn’t a narrative-driven story rich game.

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They’re the only games I enjoy. And I could’ve sworn I’ve seen people all over the internet lamenting the loss of story-driven single player games in this era of GTA online. These douchebags are either salivating looking at GTA online profitability and talking bullshit or they’re so goddamn deluded with their head so far up their own ass that they can’t tell their colon from their pancreas.

On the topic, anyway: my favorite games are RDR2, Cyberpunk, and Alan Wake 2. I wasn’t always a gamer, but the graphics have gotten so good and the stories so involved (in these here specifically) that I became one later in life. But now I’ve played all three of those games to death. Do you have any recs for similar games I might enjoy? I was just looking around the PS store and felt like I was swimming through nonsense. I really wanted to play Stalker 2, but it’s not out for PS5 yet. The next game I’m eyeing is a silent Hill 2 remake. Not a big fantasy person, either. I like stories with their feet in the real world. Don’t mean to single you out to give me advice, but figured I’d ask in case you had something you really liked.

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