I noticed today an occurence of a user complaining about Lemmy being worse then Reddit. The modlogs shows how toxic they are. When this was pointed out, the user deletes their account
https://web.archive.org/web/20241217101003/https://sopuli.xyz/post/20276017?scrollToComments=true
Deleted account: https://kbin.melroy.org/u/Pyrin
This seems to address the question that comes up once in a while “a public modlog is only useful for mods” (https://feddit.org/post/4920887/3235141), while we can see from this example that it can also be useful for toxic users.
As you may know, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a community dedicated to calling out power tripping mods.
Should we consider having a similar community for toxic users?
There is already !fediverselore@lemmy.ca, but I feel like the “lore” is more about large-scale events (like the cats wave recently) than specific users events.
Edit: Updated the title, and put the emphasis on creating a community to call out toxic users rather than “dunking” on the users that was banned.
Do we really need to do public shaming?
You’re not the first one to point it out, maybe I should remove this post.
To answer your question, as I said in another comment, I wanted to use this example for when people ask “how does a public modlog make Lemmy better than Reddit”, which is a question that comes up quite once in a while: https://feddit.org/post/4920887/3235141
We also public shame mods all the time on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, no sure why potential trolls could not be called out too.
the power tripping bastards community often goes off the rails and becomes a hate fest, many many many times, people just go there to relitigate and rage, and the brigading gets out of hand.
A few times we identify a real mod issue, but the current format is chaotic
Interesting.
While there are definitely issues sometimes (but then the mods of the community usually lock the threads), it’s been quite useful to show how biased some moderation actions are sometimes performed.
It also allows to suggest alternatives. !world@quokk.au definitely took off after a few reports about !world@lemmy.world
It’d need a heavy mod hand methinks, otherwise people’ll just be forming gangs on a mf after they get butthurt inna argument. I don’t have first-hand experience but i have been around the Internet a long time, figger there’s probably a reason most places don’t allow doxxing and it’s not cuz “it’s wrong” and more cuz it’s “exhausting” to clean
Is yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com really though? My one experience there I left a pretty tame comment against what looked like mod overreach to me and I got ganged up on over it and I think my comment was deleted. I really didn’t understand. Felt like the most Reddit moment ever when it happened.
Weird post. Find yourself a padded room.
You were insulting OP and implying they were crazy. What exactly don’t you understand about how your comment broke the rules of civility? Also, who ganged up on you? You collected 3 downvotes, and nobody else replied to you except the mod who deleted it.
Doesn’t seem that effective if they can just delete their account and start a new one.
sure but most won’t immediately trust the comments/posts from a new account so the user has to attempt to build credibility again
Either way, this system ensures that fediverse instance you’re on provides users with the best and worst of the admins’ and moderators’ logic & beliefs.
The fact that fediverse provides this system by default means that users will most likely migrate towards instances that they trust the most.
Toxic individuals will rarely disappear for good but the majority of users will most likely be those beneficial to themselves and others on the shared instance.
Public shaming has been an effective tool to combat destructive social behaviors for thousands of years.
That’s a great example of a toxic redditor coming to the fediverse hoping people would tolerate his behaviour, but surprise surprise:
we don’t
…and gets banned lol.
I think its not a great idea.
Mods are like politicians, they need to be held accountable. Users are like the citizens/residents, if someone did something wrong, there should be judgement by the “court system” or in case of an online forum, judged by moderators. A civillian not involved in politics (aka: doing forum moderation) shouldn’t face as much scrutiny as a politician.
We protest when politicians do bad things. But we don’t form a mob and go to a civillian’s house to harass them when they do bad things, that just brings the pitfork mob mentality. A user who isn’t doing moderation shouldn’t have to face a mob, such a community is just gonna become a place to harass users.
TLDR: Moderators should face more scrutiny than users. Users shouldn’t have to face a mob’s judgement everytime whenever there’s perceived wrongdoing.
A community dedicated to getting mad at people will quickly become just as toxic, if not more so.
The problem is, you only would see the content that was removed. It is also extremely one sided. The modlog isn’t what it was, and now they have removed legitimacy from it by removing the names of the mods and admins who did the enforcement, even though it was already relatively easy and straightforward to create a moderation alt. So you don’t get the visibility of any moderator abuse either. There’s also the fact that moderators and admins do lie.
A community dedicated to calling out power tripping mods exists because it affects everybody and there is no moderator of moderator decisions, save for admins who, if not part of the problem also have other problems to deal with. There is no power tripping user because users basically have no power. The counter to yepowertrippingbastards for users already exists, it’s called being a moderator, and they get to “post” about it in a modlog where their and only their word gets posted, where they are allowed to do it anonymously under the cover of seeming but not actual unanimity, and where users don’t get a chance to tell their side of the story. Mods also have their own internal groups to address concerns of problem users.
Having a public community about it both makes those moderators who participate seem even more insecure and would also be a source of drama as they try to create a new version of the modlog in community form while finding out communities are not homogeneous.
